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		<title>Saoshyant at 03:38, 2 November 2007</title>
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		<updated>2007-11-02T03:38:40Z</updated>

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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;: It&amp;#039;s alright with me that you prefer to call Linux-kernel based variant of the GNU Operating System as &amp;quot;Linux&amp;quot; (or &amp;quot;table&amp;quot; for that matter). I just assumed you/this wiki/xiph preferred showing support for the GNU project and the FSF over Linus&amp;#039;s &amp;quot;open source movement&amp;quot; being that RMS and FSF&amp;#039;s support for [[Theora]] is basically (as far as what I&amp;#039;ve seen) the only positive PR it&amp;#039;s got. --[[User:Xiando|Xiando]] 18:42, 1 November 2007 (PDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;: It&amp;#039;s alright with me that you prefer to call Linux-kernel based variant of the GNU Operating System as &amp;quot;Linux&amp;quot; (or &amp;quot;table&amp;quot; for that matter). I just assumed you/this wiki/xiph preferred showing support for the GNU project and the FSF over Linus&amp;#039;s &amp;quot;open source movement&amp;quot; being that RMS and FSF&amp;#039;s support for [[Theora]] is basically (as far as what I&amp;#039;ve seen) the only positive PR it&amp;#039;s got. --[[User:Xiando|Xiando]] 18:42, 1 November 2007 (PDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;::You should use the newest beta of libtheora, not the old alpha versions.  If after that you continue to experience the out-of-sync problems you should open a ticket in [https://trac.xiph.org our trac] against ffmpeg2theora (we host the project).--[[User:Saoshyant|Ivo]] 20:38, 1 November 2007 (PDT)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;

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		<title>Xiando at 01:42, 2 November 2007</title>
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		<updated>2007-11-02T01:42:27Z</updated>

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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I would like to compliment you, however, on your decision to allow only Theora files in the torrents site linked in your user page.--[[User:Saoshyant|Ivo]] 18:30, 30 October 2007 (PDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I would like to compliment you, however, on your decision to allow only Theora files in the torrents site linked in your user page.--[[User:Saoshyant|Ivo]] 18:30, 30 October 2007 (PDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;: The player is not relevant. Broken a/v sync [[ffmpeg2theora]]-produced [[Theora]] files are equally broken in MPlayer, Xine and VLC. And working [[ffmpeg2theora]]-produced files work equally well in all these players. My [http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbw.cgi?Gw=ffmpeg2theora+sound+out+of+sync search for information] indicates that experiences described as &#039;&#039;&quot;There is a command line tool called ffmpeg2theora, that does a pretty nice job, if it weren&#039;t for the fact that the audio and video don&#039;t sync.&quot;&#039;&#039; ([http://www.parrishtech.com/content/view/16/1/ HOWTO: Rip DVDs to Theora on Linux]) are more common than not. This does not mean that the page I edited should mention this, only that &#039;&#039;there really are a/v sync problems&#039;&#039; and that this issue must be fixed for [[Theora]] to gain any usage-share (&quot;I tried this Theora thing, didn&#039;t work, screw you, back to format X which worksforme&quot; is a more likely reaction than &quot;There seems to be a problem with a/v sync, what is the cause of this problem and how do we fix it?&quot;).&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;: I will now upgrade from libtheora 1.0_alpha6 to 1.0_alpha7, update ffmpeg and recompile ffmpeg2theora 0.19 just in case and encode various files who turned out broken again just to narrow down if this is a already-fixed-issue (and broken combinations / versions can be listed for reference if this is the case) and make source / result files available and post them to the mailing list for reference if latest (&quot;masked&quot;) versions of these packages also fail to produce usable files.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;: I also have a hope that perhaps files who end up broken could turn out alright if I encode them to another format mencoder and then re-encode them to Theora (which isn&#039;t a solution to anything, but atleast it will get Theora files out there and help those poor people in countries with software patentability).&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;: It&#039;s alright with me that you prefer to call Linux-kernel based variant of the GNU Operating System as &quot;Linux&quot; (or &quot;table&quot; for that matter). I just assumed you/this wiki/xiph preferred showing support for the GNU project and the FSF over Linus&#039;s &quot;open source movement&quot; being that RMS and FSF&#039;s support for [[Theora]] is basically (as far as what I&#039;ve seen) the only positive PR it&#039;s got. --[[User:Xiando|Xiando]] 18:42, 1 November 2007 (PDT)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;

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		<title>Saoshyant at 01:30, 31 October 2007</title>
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		<updated>2007-10-31T01:30:53Z</updated>

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&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;== Theora Encoders ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Mate, I do not know what player you are using, but I&amp;#039;ve never seen those problems you mentioned.  I have thus reverted your edits.  Yes, including the GNU one, although for a different reason.&lt;br /&gt;
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If you believe it only happens with specific files, you may wish to post some example files in the Theora mailing list.  I think however that you are using a bad player.&lt;br /&gt;
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I would like to compliment you, however, on your decision to allow only Theora files in the torrents site linked in your user page.--[[User:Saoshyant|Ivo]] 18:30, 30 October 2007 (PDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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