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		<title>Martin.leese: Response (on reflection, as dead as the dodo)</title>
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		<updated>2015-08-21T15:08:13Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Response (on reflection, as dead as the dodo)&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 15:08, 21 August 2015&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot;&gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;In an Edit Summary, you wrote, &quot;Martin, might this be a sneakier/prettier way of categorising Draft pages? note the &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{{draft}}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; template contains its own Category:&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Draft &lt;/del&gt;flag :-)&quot;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;In an Edit Summary, you wrote, &quot;Martin, might this be a sneakier/prettier way of categorising Draft pages? note the &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{{draft}}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; template contains its own Category:&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Drafts &lt;/ins&gt;flag :-)&quot;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;: I have avoided using the template &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{{draft}}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; in [[OggPCM]] (and in [[Channel mapping examples]]) because it is not really a draft in that it is ready for implementation. It is just that nobody can work up sufficient enthusiasm to actually implement it, and the wording in the template would discourage this. I have included Category:&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Draft &lt;/del&gt;because, until it is implemented, it is not complete either. It is neither fish nor fowl. [[User:Martin.leese|Martin Leese]] ([[User talk:Martin.leese|talk]]) 14:23, 20 August 2015 (PDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;: I have avoided using the template &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{{draft}}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; in [[OggPCM]] (and in [[Channel mapping examples]]) because it is not really a draft in that it is ready for implementation. It is just that nobody can work up sufficient enthusiasm to actually implement it, and the wording in the template would discourage this. I have included &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[:&lt;/ins&gt;Category:&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Drafts]] &lt;/ins&gt;because, until it is implemented, it is not complete either. It is neither fish nor fowl. [[User:Martin.leese|Martin Leese]] ([[User talk:Martin.leese|talk]]) 14:23, 20 August 2015 (PDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;: I see, that makes a lot of sense. I&#039;m wondering if the {draft} wording could do with a &quot;call to arms&quot; for willing volunteers, since in its current state it&#039;s very disheartening of any work being done on an article? ([[User talk:MrZeus|talk]]) 2015-08-21 09:30 BST&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;:&lt;/ins&gt;: I see, that makes a lot of sense. I&#039;m wondering if the {draft} wording could do with a &quot;call to arms&quot; for willing volunteers, since in its current state it&#039;s very disheartening of any work being done on an article? ([[User talk:MrZeus|talk]]) 2015-08-21 09:30 BST&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;::: Reviewing the pages which contain the template &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{{draft}}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;, they are all as dead as the dodo. I feel a &quot;call to arms&quot; would be futile. Also, on reflection, [[OggPCM]] and [[Channel mapping examples]] are equally dead. I will add &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{{draft}}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; to these, plus three others. This will make [[:Category:Drafts]] and &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{{draft}}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; equivalent. [[User:Martin.leese|Martin Leese]] ([[User talk:Martin.leese|talk]]) 08:08, 21 August 2015 (PDT)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;

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		<title>MrZeus at 08:29, 21 August 2015</title>
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		<updated>2015-08-21T08:29:51Z</updated>

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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;In an Edit Summary, you wrote, &amp;quot;Martin, might this be a sneakier/prettier way of categorising Draft pages? note the &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{{draft}}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; template contains its own Category:Draft flag :-)&amp;quot;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;In an Edit Summary, you wrote, &amp;quot;Martin, might this be a sneakier/prettier way of categorising Draft pages? note the &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{{draft}}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; template contains its own Category:Draft flag :-)&amp;quot;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;: I have avoided using the template &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{{draft}}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; in [[OggPCM]] (and in [[Channel mapping examples]]) because it is not really a draft in that it is ready for implementation. It is just that nobody can work up sufficient enthusiasm to actually implement it, and the wording in the template would discourage this. I have included Category:Draft because, until it is implemented, it is not complete either. It is neither fish nor fowl. [[User:Martin.leese|Martin Leese]] ([[User talk:Martin.leese|talk]]) 14:23, 20 August 2015 (PDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;: I have avoided using the template &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{{draft}}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; in [[OggPCM]] (and in [[Channel mapping examples]]) because it is not really a draft in that it is ready for implementation. It is just that nobody can work up sufficient enthusiasm to actually implement it, and the wording in the template would discourage this. I have included Category:Draft because, until it is implemented, it is not complete either. It is neither fish nor fowl. [[User:Martin.leese|Martin Leese]] ([[User talk:Martin.leese|talk]]) 14:23, 20 August 2015 (PDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;: I see, that makes a lot of sense. I&#039;m wondering if the {draft} wording could do with a &quot;call to arms&quot; for willing volunteers, since in its current state it&#039;s very disheartening of any work being done on an article?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;: I see, that makes a lot of sense. I&#039;m wondering if the {draft} wording could do with a &quot;call to arms&quot; for willing volunteers, since in its current state it&#039;s very disheartening of any work being done on an article? &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;([[User talk:MrZeus|talk]]) 2015-08-21 09:30 BST&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;

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		<title>MrZeus at 08:28, 21 August 2015</title>
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		<updated>2015-08-21T08:28:11Z</updated>

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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;In an Edit Summary, you wrote, &amp;quot;Martin, might this be a sneakier/prettier way of categorising Draft pages? note the &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{{draft}}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; template contains its own Category:Draft flag :-)&amp;quot;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;In an Edit Summary, you wrote, &amp;quot;Martin, might this be a sneakier/prettier way of categorising Draft pages? note the &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{{draft}}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; template contains its own Category:Draft flag :-)&amp;quot;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;: I have avoided using the template &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{{draft}}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; in [[OggPCM]] (and in [[Channel mapping examples]]) because it is not really a draft in that it is ready for implementation. It is just that nobody can work up sufficient enthusiasm to actually implement it, and the wording in the template would discourage this. I have included Category:Draft because, until it is implemented, it is not complete either. It is neither fish nor fowl. [[User:Martin.leese|Martin Leese]] ([[User talk:Martin.leese|talk]]) 14:23, 20 August 2015 (PDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;: I have avoided using the template &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{{draft}}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; in [[OggPCM]] (and in [[Channel mapping examples]]) because it is not really a draft in that it is ready for implementation. It is just that nobody can work up sufficient enthusiasm to actually implement it, and the wording in the template would discourage this. I have included Category:Draft because, until it is implemented, it is not complete either. It is neither fish nor fowl. [[User:Martin.leese|Martin Leese]] ([[User talk:Martin.leese|talk]]) 14:23, 20 August 2015 (PDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;: I see, that makes a lot of sense. I&#039;m wondering if the {draft} wording could do with a &quot;call to arms&quot; for willing volunteers, since in its current state it&#039;s very disheartening of any work being done on an article?&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;

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		<title>Martin.leese: Response (neither fish nor fowl)</title>
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		<updated>2015-08-20T21:23:56Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Response (neither fish nor fowl)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;In an Edit Summary, you wrote, &amp;quot;Martin, might this be a sneakier/prettier way of categorising Draft pages? note the &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{{draft}}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; template contains its own Category:Draft flag :-)&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
: I have avoided using the template &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{{draft}}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; in [[OggPCM]] (and in [[Channel mapping examples]]) because it is not really a draft in that it is ready for implementation. It is just that nobody can work up sufficient enthusiasm to actually implement it, and the wording in the template would discourage this. I have included Category:Draft because, until it is implemented, it is not complete either. It is neither fish nor fowl. [[User:Martin.leese|Martin Leese]] ([[User talk:Martin.leese|talk]]) 14:23, 20 August 2015 (PDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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