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		<title>Jack: Created page with &quot;&lt;pre&gt;  # Meeting 2013-12-03  ## Agenda  - CfL experiments (unlord) - PVQ writeup (demo5, xiphmont)  ## Attending  xiphmont, jmspeex, unlord, jack, gmaxwell, derf  ## CfL experime...&quot;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;&amp;lt;pre&amp;gt;  # Meeting 2013-12-03  ## Agenda  - CfL experiments (unlord) - PVQ writeup (demo5, xiphmont)  ## Attending  xiphmont, jmspeex, unlord, jack, gmaxwell, derf  ## CfL experime...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;pre&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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# Meeting 2013-12-03&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
## Agenda&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- CfL experiments (unlord)&lt;br /&gt;
- PVQ writeup (demo5, xiphmont)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
## Attending&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
xiphmont, jmspeex, unlord, jack, gmaxwell, derf&lt;br /&gt;
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## CfL experiments&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- u: i did what jack suggest and did correlation between luma and chroma planes and between the chroma planes to see why we saw a smaller prediction gain in stats tool. what i&amp;#039;m looking at so far shows that there is some correlation between the correlation and the prediction gain. when i get it done completely i&amp;#039;ll post the images. i haven&amp;#039;t finished integrating the optimal linear regression yet since i got sidetracked landing lots of patches. it will show the optimal RD curve for the optimal linear predictor. will show us how much better we could be.&lt;br /&gt;
- d: optimal in regards to what?&lt;br /&gt;
- u: this is finding the very best linear fit in the encoder given that we know what hte chroma should be.&lt;br /&gt;
- g: this gives you the optimal alpha and beta&lt;br /&gt;
- u: i can print an RD curve so that if we had a magic oracle, this is the curve we could get. it should be showing up soon.&lt;br /&gt;
- g: in your performance results did you characterize it based on blocksize to see if it was blocksize related?&lt;br /&gt;
- u: the cfl stats tool?&lt;br /&gt;
- g: yeah&lt;br /&gt;
- u: i don&amp;#039;t handle the 4x4 size correction. the tool doesn&amp;#039;t work with luma 4x4. i tihink i have it pegged to 8x8 but it should work for 16x16.&lt;br /&gt;
- g: so you&amp;#039;re not handling the hard case yet&lt;br /&gt;
- u: not really. that&amp;#039;s interesting also. i haven&amp;#039;t landed the patch for the tool yet although i did look at half the comments that monty provided. i&amp;#039;ll finish addressing those with him and get it landed.&lt;br /&gt;
- jm: should we be trying to do chroma from luma and then the next chroma with chroma and the old chroma?&lt;br /&gt;
- g: we just the neighboring chroma&lt;br /&gt;
- jm: i mean using the other chroma plane&lt;br /&gt;
- d: it might be too expensive&lt;br /&gt;
- u: computationally?&lt;br /&gt;
- d: yeah&lt;br /&gt;
- g: no but using it some cheap way...&lt;br /&gt;
- d: that still has a parallelism cost.&lt;br /&gt;
- g: fair enough. what are you thinking with respect to parallelism now?&lt;br /&gt;
- d: well, parallelism is not the right word.. pipelining. all this stuff gets deeply pipelined.&lt;br /&gt;
- g: we could potentially do some things to interleave the code more tightly. the problem is that we serialize in the bitstream.&lt;br /&gt;
- d: i think those processes wind up being independent in hardware.&lt;br /&gt;
- g: ??&lt;br /&gt;
- x: i wanted to ask you more about them. let&amp;#039;s talk about that offline.&lt;br /&gt;
- g: they are just simple regenerates of what you did before with the bugs fixed in the code.&lt;br /&gt;
- x: if we&amp;#039;re going to have demos that are live documents, i might want to go back in and change the wording to make that clear. i&amp;#039;ve been posting these as archival documents. the only things that i&amp;#039;d like to change in the stuff i put up is typos; i haven&amp;#039;t wanted to change the content. jm wanted to do this for the opus 1.1 demo as well. i think this will end up confusing and annoying people.&lt;br /&gt;
- d: the two cases are different. you&amp;#039;ve done updates before.&lt;br /&gt;
- x: that was the case where something was broken and the content didn&amp;#039;t reflect the text. i want to put a little bit of thought into it.&lt;br /&gt;
- g: this case was a similar gaffe as the rotated blocks. the cfl stuff as i implemented it got broken during code review.&lt;br /&gt;
- x: i should replace it if it&amp;#039;s broken data. sorry i misunderstood. i will go back and fix it. irc me the links again and i&amp;#039;ll get it replaced right away.&lt;br /&gt;
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## PVQ writeup&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- x: reviews had been lagging so I have been doing that (by jack&amp;#039;s request).&lt;br /&gt;
- d: thank you for that.&lt;br /&gt;
- x: i&amp;#039;ll get back to pvq after i do the opus 1.1 addendum&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
## Travel&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- d: greg and i are at the picture coding symposium next week. it&amp;#039;s in san jose. we&amp;#039;re not giving a talk. we&amp;#039;re looking for potential interns and potential research grants.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
## Resources&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- g: i&amp;#039;m getting bottlenecked on cpu. i need a big machine.&lt;br /&gt;
- j: let&amp;#039;s talk about that offline and try to figure out what&amp;#039;s needed. maybe the whole research team could share some big 64-way machine.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
## PVQ decoder&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- jm: i started on this in vancouver, but haven&amp;#039;t finished yet. it&amp;#039;s next on my list.&lt;br /&gt;
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