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<div>Here you can find all mobile players known to support Ogg [[Vorbis]]. Some do also play FLAC (please add information).<br />
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== Flash Memory Storage ==<br />
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* [http://www.netonnet.se/item.asp?iid=61510 Avant] MP-8256, MP-8512, MP-81000<br />
:Looks like another whitebox label (?) No official website found yet, but three models are offered in shops: MP-8256 with 256MB memory, MP-8512 (512MB) and MP-81000 (1GB). Plays not only Ogg Vorbis, but [[MP3]], [[WMA]] and even JPEG via colour display. <br />
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* [http://enox.co.kr/2004/eng/product/product_830_01.asp ENOX] EMX-830<br />
:'The lightest and the smallest one among AAA type MP3 players.' Supports MP3, WMA, ASF, WAV, and Ogg Vorbis, has FM tuner, line-in and mic with direct MP3 encoding. Comes with 128/256/512/1024MB flash memory and USB 2.0 interface.<br />
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* [http://www.ez-av.com/english/product/index.html EZAV's] EMP-500, EMP-400<br />
:The EMP-500 is a very light player, comes with 256/512/1024MB storage and supports MP3, WMA, and Ogg Vorbis. The EMP-400 has 256MB storage.<br />
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* [http://eng.iaudio.com/ iAudio] U2, G3, 5<br />
:The iAudio U2 is a small flash-based player (256MB/512MB/1GB) and supports Vorbis after a firmware upgrade. The iAudio G3 and iAudio 5 offer up to 2GB, and support Ogg Vorbis out-of-the-box. All three will talk to Linux or Mac (but included s/w is Windows only).<br />
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* [http://www.ibead.co.kr/coding/eng/ i-BEAD] 170, 400<br />
:The i-BEAD 170 & 400 models are small, light flash-based players with built in Lithium-Polymer batteries. They also have OLED displays, and FM & line-in recording. Both are available in 256MB/512MB/1GB and both support Ogg Vorbis after a firmware upgrade.<br />
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* [http://www.iops.co.kr/enghome/index.html Iops] MFP-312, MFP-325, MFP-350<br />
:Iops offers the MFP-300 series player with 128/256/512MB/1GB internal flash memory. They offer voice and FM radio recording whilst maintaining a lightweight portable size.<br />
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* [http://www.iriver.com/ iRiver's] iFP-3xx, iFP-5xx, iFP-7xx, iFP-8xx, iFP-9xx, iFP-10xx, iFP-11xx, T10, T20, U10<br />
:iRiver has a huge line of flash-based players with various memory sizes (128MB to 1GB). Some of these players may need an updated firmware in order to play Ogg Vorbis files, see the [http://www.iriver.com/support/download.asp support download page] for that. Note -- only certain bitrates are supported, various problems are reported including reboots, silence and random noise when a VBR Vorbis passes outside the limit (96-225 Kbps).<br />
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* [http://www.jensofsweden.com/ Jens Of Sweden's] MP-120, MP-130, MP-400<br />
:The MP-130 is a portable player with flash memory in 128/256/512MB sizes. This appears to be a rebranded Iops player. The MP-400 is a tiny machine with lots of features (line in, mic, fm radio, usb 2.0). With the updated 4.1 firmware it supports Ogg Vorbis files encoded with libvorbis version 1.0rc2 or later. When trying to play files encoded with earlier versions it freezes on playback, requiring an USB connect or reset button pressed (through a tiny hole) to wake up again. The MP-120, a 1Gb flash player, supports Ogg-Vorbis with a firmware upgrade since March 2005.<br />
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* [http://www.jnc-digital.com/Eng/ JNC's] SSF-2002, SSF-2005<br />
:These are flash-based players with 256 MB respectively 512 MB storage capacity. They have the usual FM radio which can be recorded in addition to voice. They also have a 1,9" color display.<br />
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* [http://www.lexar.com/mp3/index.html Lexar's] LDP-800<br />
:Available from 03/2005 the LDP-800 is offering MP3, WMA and Ogg Vorbis Support with 256/512MB storage. It has a digital out, FM receiver and transmitter, can record from FM, mic and line-in and has a SD-card slot. Includes Sennheiser earbuds. Update: A telephoned sales representative informed on 2005-04-15 that this player would be available sometime in June. Update again: A sales representative telephoned on 2005-06-20 again stated that the player would be available sometime in June. However, a sales representitave at [http://www.ecost.com/ eCOST], an online store carrying the LDP-800, stated that their availability date is now 2005-07-15. Lexar now seem to have dropped this product. See discussion.<br />
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* [http://www.maxfield.de/ Maxfield's] Max-Diamond, Max-Movie, Max-Diablo<br />
: It's not yet on the homepage, but the Max-Diamond will be released in 03/2005 and supports MP3, Ogg Vorbis and WMA (DRM). It has 512MB flash memory and can record from FM radio. The Max-Movie has 1GB storage and supports DivX, MP3 WMA (DRM) and Ogg Vorbis. It also has FM radio and a display with 260.000 colors. The Max-Diablo supports the same audio formats, but can also display pictures and videos on its small OLED (4096 colors). It has 1GB storage.<br />
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* [http://mpeye.net/ MPeye] TS-400<br />
:a flash player which comes in 128MB/256MB/512MB/1GB sizes, has a FM-receiver, colour display and a voice recorder. <br />
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* [http://www.muzio.co.kr/ Muzio's] JM200, JM250, JM300<br />
:Another Korean manufacturer jumps in and offers small flash-based players with 128MB up to 1GB storage capacities. They support the usual formats MP3/WMA/Ogg Vorbis, can record voice, receive FM radio.<br />
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* [http://neurosaudio.com/store/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=DigitalInnovationsCatalog&category%5Fname=Neuros+Players&product%5Fid=4021500 Neuros'] Neuros II<br />
:The Neuros II can be used as a stand-alone flash-player. You can later buy an HDD "backpack" from 20 to 80 gigs in size and switch the backpacks as you please. This player now has a free software(open-source) firmware.<br />
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* [http://www.pretec.com/OnlineSales/SSD/iDisk/Allegro/Allegro.htm Pretec's] Allegro<br />
:The player supports MP3, WMA and Ogg Vorbis formats, uses USB Flash Drives for storage, has a 128x64 pixel blue screen with file info in 5 languages, 6 preset sound stages, one user defined graphic equalizer, low power consumption.<br />
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* [http://eng.qoolqee.com/ Qoolqee's] K7<br />
:This is an interesting mix of a flash-based MP3 player and an organizer: the player has 512/1024 MB storage and contact and calendar functions and can sync with Outlook. It supports MP3, WMA and Ogg Vorbis, has FM radio and connectors for two headphones.<br />
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* [http://www.samsung.com/Products/ Samsung] / [http://www.yepp.co.kr/ Yepp] (product label), YP-T6, YP-T7, YP-C1, YP-F1<br />
:The YP-T6 is an incredibly small flash player with 128/256/512/1024 MB storage, has a mic and FM radio and supports MP3, WMA (DRM) and Ogg Vorbis. The YP-T7 has either 512MB or 1GB capacity and supports the same audio formats, which also applies to the YP-F1. It can display JPEGs on its color display. The YP-C1 has similar specs, including Ogg support; at the time of writing, it seems to be readily available only in Korea and China.<br />
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:*[[Talk:PortablePlayers#Samsung's Yepp Ogg Vorbis support|There have been reports that the Ogg Vorbis support in the YP-T6 is buggy.]]<br />
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* [http://www.trekstor.de/ TrekStor's] iBeat fresh, iBeat organix, iBeat cube, iBeat ice, iBeat vision<br />
:The iBeat fresh comes with 256/512 MB storage has a 64K color display and the usual features. The iBeat organix is supposed to get a firmware upgrade and comes with 256/512/1024 MB flash memory. The iBeat cube is a very small player with the usual features. The iBeat ice has a sharp OLED display. The iBeat vision has a large display that can be used to watch movies. It comes in sizes from 256MB to 2GB.<br />
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* [http://www.wigobyte.com/ Wigo's] CVM-101, CVM-103, CVM-300, CVS-100<br />
:Korean players with slick design, comes in 128/256/512/1024 MB depending on models. Support MP3/WMA/Ogg, FM receiver, voice recorder. Note: Ogg bitrates supported may be limited, check the manufacturer's specification for each device for details.<br />
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* [http://www.xcent.co.kr Xcent's] XT100<br />
:This player is sold in the U.K. and comes with 256/512MB. It supports MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis and has FM radio and voice recording. It also works under Linux (kernel 2.4 upwards) and FreeBSD 5.3 (recognised as a removable mass storage device).<br />
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== Harddisk Storage ==<br />
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* [http://www.airlinktek.com/ AL Tech's] MG-25, MG-35, MG350HD<br />
:The Mediagate MG-25 is a portable HDD that supports also media playback. It uses a 2,5" disk and USB2.0 to connect, and supports MPEG-1/-2/-4, DivX, Xvid, MP3, Ogg Vorbis, JPG. It can upsample to HDTV, has composite, component and s-video outs, stereo and a digital out. Remote control is included. The MG-35 uses a 3,5" HDD instead, supports WMA and ethernet. The MG350HD uses a 3,5" HDD as well and supports HDTV.<br />
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* [http://www.boghe.com/products/audio/vip20.htm Boghe] Vip20<br />
:The Vip20 seems to be similar to the iBeat 500 from TrekStor and Xclef HD-800. It has the same features: MP3, WMA, WAV, Ogg Vorbis decoding plus 20 GB storage.<br />
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* [http://www.commodore.net/ Commodore's] eVic<br />
:The eVic has 20GB storage and plays WMA (incl. DRM), MP3 and Ogg Vorbis. It can record voice and music, and has USB host functionality.<br />
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* [http://www.freecom.com/ Freecom's] MediaPlayer-3<br />
:This is again sort of an external HDD that can play media without a PC. It supports DivX, MP3, MPEG-4, AVI, WMA, ASF and Ogg Vorbis. It is not yet listed on the webpage though.<br />
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* [http://www.godot.com.tw/ GoDot] M8170, M8270, M8370, M8470, M8570<br />
:GoDot's HD players have capacity ranging from 2.2gb to 20gb. Each model is very different. They support Ogg Vorbis, MP3 and WMA (some models support DRM).<br />
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* [http://www.hama.de/portal?lid=2 Hama's] VSV-20<br />
:The VSV-20 has the usual mobile MP3 HDD player size and can read/write from its 16in1 memory card reader and 20 GB internal HDD. But it can do more than audio (MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis, AAC). It supports image (JPEG) and video (MPEG-1/-4) playback on the 2" display and on a connected TV. It even includes a remote control.<br />
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* [http://eng.iaudio.com/ iAudio] M3, X5<br />
:The iAudio M3 is a portable harddisk player with either 20 or 40 GB of storage. It has a built-in FM radio and mic. It supports MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis and WAV and even FLAC with the newest firmware upgrade. See this [http://gear.ign.com/articles/522/522090p1.html IGN article] for more info. <br />
:The [http://www.engadget.com/entry/0377386638551474 iAudio M5] is announced for end 2004. It comes with colour display and USB-on-the-go function for 20GB storage.<br />
:It appears that the M5 is indeed called X5 and already available through [http://www.mp3-player.de/artikel.php?ArtNr=1375&id=128 Shops] in 20GB, 30GB and 60GB. It hasn't been listed on iAudio's English pages, but was mentioned in a [http://eng.cowon.com/hboard/view.php?boardID=E03&number=48 press release] earlier this year:<br />
::"<i>Other major new releases on display include the iAUDIO X5, a next-generation HDD-type MP3 player featuring a 1.8 inch, 260,000 color LCD, and iAUDIO M5L, a super-light, ultra-compact HDD-type MP3 player. iAUDIO X5, a state-of-the-art HDD-type MP3 player can not only play music, but various images and videos as well without a PC by directly connecting to a digital camera using its OTG (On-The-Go) feature. iAUDIO M5L is a HDD-type MP3 player that features 36 hours of continuous playback time, probably the longest of its kind in the world.</i>"<br />
:The X5 now available in the US at [http://onlinestore.cowonamerica.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=60 Cowon's Online Store]<br />
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* [http://www.ivmm.com/innoax/products_innopod.html InnoAX's] InnoPod<br />
:This is a iPod mini clone, that supports MP3, WMA, WAV and Ogg Vorbis. It supports recording from line-in and mic, has a 4 GB harddrive and USB2.0.<br />
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* [http://www.iriver.com/ iRiver's] iHP-1xx, H1xx, H2xx, H3xx, iGP-100<br />
:iRiver has also a number of harddisk based items that play back Ogg Vorbis. Older models like the [http://www.iriver.com/product/info.asp?p_name=iHP-100 iHP-100] and the [http://www.iriver.co.kr/product/info.asp?p_group=iHP&amp;p_name=iHP-115 iHP-115] come in 10 and 15 GB sizes and need a firmware update (see the [http://www.iriver.com/support/download.asp support downloads] for that). The [http://www.iriver.com/product/info.asp?p_name=iHP-120 iHP-120], a 20GB portable player, and the [http://www.iriver.com/product/info.asp?p_name=iHP-140 iHP-140], a 40GB version, support Vorbis playback out of the box. Read reviews here: [http://gear.ign.com/articles/435/435472p1.html IGN on iHP-100], [http://gear.ign.com/articles/457/457818p1.html IGN on iHP-120]. The [http://www.iriveramerica.com/products/iGP-100.asp iGP-100], a 1.5Gb portable player, supports Vorbis, according to the FAQ, though no firmware upgrade appears to be required. The new line of harddisk players [http://www.iriver.com/product/info.asp?p_name=H140H110 H120, H140] come in 10 to 40 GB sizes. There is also a product line with USB host function and colour display that supports 32-500kbs: [http://www.iriver.com/product/info.asp?p_name=H340 H320, H340].<br />
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* [http://www.jetaudio.com/products/tvix/ JetAudio's] [http://www.tvix.co.kr/eng/ Dvico's] TViX<br />
:This is a rather unique device. JetAudio calls it a multimedia jukebox, music tank, photo album and last but not least a portable storage. It is bigger than usual portable devices, but has also a lot more options. It can connect to the PC (USB 2.0), TV (S-Video, Composite), stereos and 5.1 surround systems (Coaxial/Optical) and comes with a remote control. Supported video formats are DVD (MPEG-2), VCD (MPEG-1), DivX, Xvid. Supported Audio formats are MP3, WMA and Ogg Vorbis. It can display JPEG pictures on the TV. It is available without a harddrive, or equipped with harddrive sizes up to 200 GB.<br />
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* [http://www.jnc-digital.com/Eng/ JNC's] SSF-M3, SSF-M5<br />
:The SSF-M3 comes with 20/40GB storage size, whereas the SSF-M5 has only 1.5 GB. Both support voice recording and FM radio. The SSF-M3 is more stylish and very slim and comes with a docking station.<br />
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* [http://www.lge.com/ LG's] Mediagate<br />
:This player is similar to the Modix or TViX. It is a portable USB HDD equipped with a 2,5" drive (size varies). It plays audio (MP3, Ogg Vorbis, WMA), video (MPEG-1/-2, Xvid, DivX) and images (JPEG). It has composite, s-video and component video output and supports progressive scan, audio output is done through a coaxial and stereo plug. The device is bundled with a remote control.<br />
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* [http://www.modix.co.kr/ Modix] HD-3510<br />
:The HD-3510 is similar to the TViX, as it is sort of a portable multi-talent. It can store and playback audio, video and images, and can be used for other files as well. It can decode MPEG-1/-2/-4 including DivX/Xvid, AC3, DTS, MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis and JPEG. It uses USB2.0 for data input and has various ouput connectors: anlog stereo and 5.1 out, coaxial digital out, composite, s-video and component video out with progressive scan and HDTV upscaling. The HD-3510 is bundled with a carrying bag and a remote control, but without a 3,5" HDD.<br />
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* [http://mpeye.net/ MPeye's] HT-100, HT-150<br />
:The HT-100 uses a 1,5 GB HDD, decodes MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis and supports the usual features. The HT-150 seems to have the same features (maybe a mistake on the website).<br />
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* [http://www.mpio.com/ mpio] HD300, HD200, One<br />
:mpio HD300 is a harddisk player with 20GB and supports WAV/MP3/WMA/Ogg Vorbis. It has FM radio, an alarm clock and supports USB 2.0. The HD200 has 5GB storage capacity, a FM radio which can be recorded and supports the same formats as the HD300. Despite its name the One consist of three components: a player, a HDD and a CD-ROM drive, which can be combined with each other. It supports [[MP3]], [[WMA]], Ogg Vorbis, JPG, BMP and MPEG-4 movies. It has a 1" OLED display and will be available from 05/2005.<br />
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* [http://www.imp3.net/read.php?textid=1529 Muzio's] JM-600<br />
:This player comes with either 2.2 or 4 GB harddrive and supports MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis and ASF. It can record voice and has a FM receiver. What sets this player apart is the LCD -- it can show BMPs, JPGs and text. The device can also act as a USB host to support digital cameras.<br />
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* [http://www.neurosaudio.com/ Neuros'] Neuros II<br />
:This mobile player comes either with various harddrive sizes up to 80 GB or as 256 MB flash player. The new firmware to support Ogg Vorbis has been developed by the Xiph.org Foundation (see the [http://www.neurosaudio.com/press/news_item.aspx?itemID=80 press release]). Get the newest firmware version at Neuros' [http://www.neurosaudio.com/support/support_updates.asp support page]). The Neuros Synchronization Manager for Windows is available from the same link and now fully supports the addition of Vorbis files to the Neuros. *nix users can use either Xiph.org's [http://www.xiph.org/positron/ Positron] or Sean Starkey's Java [http://neurosdbm.sf.net/ Neuros Database Manipulator], both of which provide full Neuros database support and other features.<br />
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* [http://www.nextway.co.kr/ Nextway's] D Cube NHD-150D<br />
:This player uses a small 1,5 GB harddisk and supports MP3, WMA and Ogg Vorbis. It connects trough USB 2.0 and can broadcast music through a FM sender.<br />
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* [http://www.pontis.de/ Pontis'] MX2020<br />
:There is now a firmware update for the MX2020 that adds Ogg Vorbis support, which is a portable player for movies, music and photos.<br />
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* [http://www.modix-hd.com/ Rapsody's] RSH-100<br />
:It is similar to the Modix HD-3510, but supports USB host functionality additionally.<br />
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* [http://www.digitalnetworksna.com/rioaudio/ Rio's] Karma<br />
:The Rio [http://www.digitalnetworksna.com/shop/item.asp?model=261 Karma] is a portable player with a harddisk of 20 GB. It can decode MP3, Ogg Vorbis and FLAC. USB 2.0 is used to connect to PCs, but a docking station is also included which offers ethernet and RCA line-out support. IGN has written a [http://gear.ign.com/articles/458/458401p1.html review] about the gadget, articles about the Karma can be found at [http://www.riovolution.com Riovolution]. Note that firmware versions prior to 1.25 cause stability problems for some people, visit the [http://www.digitalnetworksna.com/support/rio/product.asp?prodID=113 support page] to get the newest version.<br />
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* [http://www.safa.com.hk/index_110R.html Safa] HMP-110R<br />
:A portable player with 1.5GB memory, FM-receiver, recording function, upgradeable firmware, etc.<br />
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* [http://www.samsung.com Samsung] YH-J70<br />
:A portable Multimedia Jukebox as seen on their [http://www.samsung.com/common/microsite/exhibition/cebit2005/base.asp?pcode=IT01 Cebit 2005 Microsite]. Comes with 20/30GB disk, colour display, video player and USB host function<br />
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* [http://www.sitecom.com/ Sitecom's] MP-330, MP-010<br />
:The MP-330 player uses a 4,4 GB harddrive, USB 2.0 and supports MP3, WMA and Ogg Vorbis (mentioned in the manual). The MP-010 is a portable media player. As such it supports music, movies and pictures. This includes MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis, MPEG-1/-2/-4. It has a capacity of 40GB, comes with a remote control and has various ports for the TV.<br />
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* [http://www.teac.de/ TEAC] MP-1000, MP-2000<br />
:TEAC MP-1000 is an ultra-compact harddrive player with 1.5GB capacity and only 70g mass. The follow-up model MP-2000 has 5 GB storage and supports the same formats (MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis).<br />
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* [http://www.trekstor.de/ TrekStor's] iBeat 500, iBeat 300<br />
:The iBeat 500 is a portable harddisk player with 20 GB of storage. It supports MP3, WMA and Ogg Vorbis and uses USB 2.0 to connect to PCs. It has a FM radio and an in-built mic. It seems to be available only in Germany (looks like a rebadged Xclef HD-800). The iBeat 300 uses a 1,5 GB HDD and has a color display.<br />
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* [http://www.unibrain.com/iZak Unibrain's] iZak<br />
:This is a portable USB hard disk with 40/80/100 GB of storage. It plays a wide range of video formats, including dixv/xvid/bvix/dvd iso. A good review can be found [http://www.mpeg-playcenter.com/modules/Reviews/reviews/Review_iZak.pdf here].<br />
:The most current firmware release supports Ogg Vorbis playback according to [http://www.unibrain.com/support/iZak/iZak_FAQ.htm Unibrain's iZak FAQ].<br />
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* [http://www.xclef.com/ Xclef's] HD-800, HD-500<br />
:This is a harddisk player with 20/40/60 GB storage size, and can decode MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis and WAV. It has a FM radio and a mic for recording voice. Though not mentioned on the web site, the HD-500 is also supposed to decode Ogg Vorbis.<br />
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== CD/DVD Audio Players ==<br />
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* [http://www.ifreemax.com/ Freemax's] FW-960<br />
:This CD-R portable supports Ogg Vorbis playback out of the box. It has 48 hours of WMA playback if an external battery pack (2 AA batteries) is used. The FreeMax FW-960 is also known as the mpman MP-CD550.<br />
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* [http://www.exonion.com/ Havin's] (link dead) Exonion HVC-400E, [http://www.princeton.co.jp/ Princeton's] Pocket Beat airCD<br />
:The Havin HVC-400E, also known as the Princeton airCD is probably on sale in Japan since late November, 2003.<br />
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* [http://www.iriver.com/product/info.asp?p_name=iMP-550 iRiver] iMP-250, iMP-350, iMP-400, iMP-550, iMP-700(T)<br />
:Ogg Vorbis is supported only through latest beta firmwares, still some bitrate restriction which may vary depending on the model (min=96kbps, max=160kbps). The iMP-550 supports maximum bitrate up to 256kps (still 96kbps as minimum). Also note the latest iMP-450 does not support OGG for the moment, a future upgrade may correct this... The iMP-700T with firmware 1.40 supports bitrates between 96 and 210 kbps, and .ogg files are generally not as loud as .mp3 files.<br />
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* [http://www.samsungusa.com/ Samsung's] MCD-CM600<br />
:The MCD-CM600 is now available in Korea. It is a CD portable that can play Vorbis, MP3, and WMA.<br />
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* [http://www.roadstar.com/ Roadstar] PCD-5960WOMPT<br />
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== Portable Digital Assisstants (PDAs) ==<br />
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PDAs are also cable of operating as portable music players using available software applications. Please visit [http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/VorbisSoftwarePlayers VorbisSoftwarePlayers] for more information.<br />
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------------</div>Iplhttps://wiki.xiph.org/index.php?title=Talk:PortablePlayers&diff=1490Talk:PortablePlayers2005-07-22T13:15:00Z<p>Ipl: /* Lexar LDP-800 dropped */ (added sig)</p>
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<div>There are many more portable players by TrekStor than the i.beat 500 supporting ogg vorbis.<br />
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Please add products to the main page.<br />
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I would like to know which Players can '''record''' in OGG?! -- [[User:217.186.150.213|217.186.150.213]] 17:03, 26 Dec 2004 (PST)<br />
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== Pretec Allegro may need firmware update ==<br />
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I recently purchased a Pretec Allegro, but was unable to play Oggs for three months, until the firmware update was made available on 14 or 15 March 2005. Now it works well! (So far, listening to -q3 Oggs). I'd hope that units purchased after this date already has the firmware update, but you never know. Installing the update is as simple as placing the .rom on the USB-storage-device media (eg flash disk), starting up the unit, and pressing the play button. -- Hugo van der Merwe<br />
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== Any player with SD-Cards ==<br />
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Every single ogg-capable portable player out there seems to come with built-in flash memory. Which is stupid, because I don't want to fire up my computer and plug in the player every time I get tired of the tracks on my player. Plus flash memory has a limited lifetime (write cycles) and so does your player with built-in memory. The same applies for built-in rechargable batteries. <br />
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Now when would you ever need to buy your second device without any moving parts if you could just change flash memory and batteries? Ok, that's the industrie's point of view but not mine. I want to go on vacation with music and batteries for one week of non-stop music - without a power source or computer nearby.<br />
<br />
So, any hint to where I might find a portable audio player that can play back ogg vorbis files and uses SD flash cards (and preferably AAA-batteries) would be greatly appreciated.<br />
<br />
----<br />
<br />
The Pretec Allegro is not the slickest player out there, it's LCD backlight seems to give off a high-pitched whine, which not everyone can hear (it kind-of screams in my ears though, so I put the backlight timer on 1 second so it doesn't scream too long). It is, however, the only one I now know of that can play Oggs, and uses removable media. If you want a nicely portable device, you have to use Pretec's "iDisk tiny" usb flash disk, the only thing that will fit inside. You can also, however, connect some USB SD-card reader with it's cable, then listen to Oggs off of SD. A little unwieldy, but, it works, and is the only thing *I* know of. (I stopped following developments in December though, when I bought it...)<br />
<br />
== Samsung's Yepp Ogg Vorbis support ==<br />
<br />
JoshuaRodman wrote regarding the yp-t7z:<br />
:I received such a unit. It plays oggs encodd at -q 4, 5 and 6 without error that I have noticed. However it seems underdocumented. It plays the files in an order which is neither alpha sorted nor numeric sorted, and it does not support ogg tags. -- JoshuaRodman (March 28, 2005)<br />
:I've investigated more. Some music encoded at even -q 5 will break up or cause difficulty. I suspect these pieces have bitrate spikes. As for the ordering, the YP-T7 plays files in 'readdir' order. That is it does not sort the files out of the filesystem at all. In practice, this means it will play the files in the order that you add them to the directory. If you are a windows user dragging and dropping the files onto the player, this problem will not affect you. A linux or possible Mac user may need to do minor scripting to alleviate this issue. --JoshuaRodman (April 13, 2005)<br />
<br />
::Two questions: 1) are ogg tags not being displayed even when the Tag option is toggle to On in the settings menu? 2) how does it handle -q 4 and -q 6 &mdash; is it just -q 5, or is it -q 5 and higher/lower? &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Saxifrage|Saxifrage]] 01:07, 14 Apr 2005 (PDT)<br />
<br />
:::I have seen no evidence of vorbis tags being supported; they are not displayed. I have generally encoded at -q 5 as an attempt to stay inside the "supported" bitrate boundaries. I find that the bitrate and breakups are not directly correlated, but somewhat related. This is no surprise if the problem is CPU time exhaustion. I have not found any particular quality encoding to fail either reliably or often. In general, speeds above the stated maximum supported bitrates have seemed to work fine. No lockups of any kind have been encountered. Incidentally, over 90% of my ogg files have been processed by vorbisgain. --JoshuaRodman (July 5, 2005)<br />
<br />
<br />
I just bought one of these and I'm baffled by its erratic Ogg support. Firmware version 1.541 seems to support tags just fine, though I haven't noticed the alpha-sorting issue (haven't looked). However, I find that it can't play all my Ogg files (freezes when it tries to load the file), and there's nothing systematic that I've found to account for this. It plays some files I encoded [[Jan 29]]-[[Jan 30]], [[2005]], but there are files that don't work before and after that date. The files that work so far were encoded with nominal bitrates of 128 and 192, while others that don't work were at 160. All encodings have used the same program (Grip under Linux). Ogg files that I've encoded with oggenc directly for testing purposes at 160 nominal bitrate work just fine. There's just something about most of my existing files.<br />
<br />
I've emailed a support request to Samsung Canada, so I'll report what I find out then. Meanwhile I'm doing a bunch of rips with Grip to test different nominal bitrates. [[User:Saxifrage|Saxifrage]] 10:53, 12 Apr 2005 (PDT)<br />
<br />
:Results from my experiments with different nominal bitrates are summarised in this table:<br />
{| align=center border=1<br />
|+YP-T6 Ogg Vorbis support<br />
|-<br />
! &nbsp; !! Tags <br />
| none || tag* || tag + replaygain || replaygain<br />
|-<br />
!Bitrate (nominal) || &nbsp; || &nbsp; || &nbsp; || &nbsp; || &nbsp;<br />
|-<br />
| 128<br />
| &nbsp; || works || works || works || ?<br />
|-<br />
| 160<br />
| &nbsp; || works || works || '''freezes''' || works<br />
|-<br />
| 192<br />
| &nbsp; || works || works || works || ?<br />
|}<br />
:<nowiki>* </nowiki>"tag" means just the regular complement of artist, album, title, year, and genre.<br />
:"?" indicates that the case was not tested<br />
<br />
:My conclusion is that the Samsung YP-T6 can't handle Ogg Vorbis files encoded at 160 nominal bitrate if [[Wikipedia:ReplayGain|ReplayGain]] tags are applied to the file. Note too that I tested a file without real RG tags, but with the normal tags plus tags with different names than the standard RG tags but with the same name-length and same length of arguments; this was to isolate whether it was a ReplayGain-specific bug or a general tag-handling bug. Thus, I suspect that the problem is a buffer overflow in tag code of the firmware. '''Note''' that I have only tested files encoded with nominal bitrates, not files encoded with oggenc's quality settings.<br />
:The few files in my collection that have worked were encoded at different bitrates (either 128 or 192), but unfortunately the vast majority are 160, and I need ReplayGain to be able to listen to my collection on the PC without constantly changing the volume. As a workaround I may write a script to strip the ReplayGain tags as they're moved to my player, but this rather sucks. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Saxifrage|Saxifrage]] 12:36, 12 Apr 2005 (PDT)<br />
<br />
=== Yepp MT-6X ===<br />
<br />
:I ([[User:Gav|Gav]]) own a Yepp MT-6X and I don't come to the same conclusions. I tried to remove the Gain tags and it didn't improve anything. Here are some tests I made :<br />
<br />
{| align=center border=1<br />
|+YP-MT6X Ogg Vorbis support<br />
|-<br />
! Encoder version || Filename || Nominal bitrate || Playback test<br />
|-<br />
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20000508 (1.0 beta 1 or beta 2) || 01 - In Tenebris.ogg || unset (160 kbps) || KO<br />
|-<br />
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20001031 (1.0 beta 3) || 01 - A Day Without Rain.ogg || 160 kbps || KO<br />
|-<br />
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20010225 (1.0 beta 4) || 01 - Sunday Bloody Sunday.ogg || 128 kbps || KO<br />
|-<br />
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20010615 (1.0 rc1) || 01 - Remede.ogg || 128 kbps || KO<br />
|-<br />
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20010813 (1.0 rc2) || 01 - Devil's Haircut.ogg || 192 kbps || OK<br />
|-<br />
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20011231 (1.0 rc3) || 01 - Encore Une Chance.ogg || 112 kbps || OK<br />
|-<br />
|Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20020717 (1.0) || 01 - Inferno (Unleash The Fire).ogg || 160 kbps || KO<br />
|-<br />
|Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20030909 (1.0.1) || 01 - You Will Be a Hot Dancer.ogg || 128 kbps || OK<br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
<br />
Yes, a 1.0 file fails... I also tested a 8 second file encoded at q1,q2,...,q10 using 20020717 (1.0) and it worked for every quality ! So not every 1.0-encoded file fails. See [[YeppGavDetails]] for details about the files.<br />
<br />
: OK. I've done extensive tests and I can confirm what Saxifrage suggested : there is indeed a buffer overflow in the tag handling ! When the framing bit of the tag header is at offset >= 0x18C, it fails. If it is at exactly 0x18C, it reboots or freezes. If it is at offset > 0x18C, it always freezes. This was tested with firmware 1.101 and vorbis encoder 1.0.<br />
<br />
: The file encoded using libVorbis 1.0 in the table above has a too large tag and that's why it fails.<br />
<br />
: In summary, the Yepp can only play Vorbis when it is encoded with libVorbis version >= 1.0rc2 AND when the framing bit of the tag header is at offset < 0x18C.<br />
<br />
== UniBrain iZak ==<br />
<br />
Apologies if this is the wrong place for this; I'm new to wikis.<br />
<br />
The UniBrain iZak was added, then removed recently, with the comment that it doesn't claim to play Ogg Vorbis.<br />
<br />
The FAQ is available here: [http://www.unibrain.com/support/iZak/iZak_FAQ.htm iZak FAQ] and Question/Answer 22 says:<br />
<br />
'22. Can iZak™ support OGG audio files?<br />
<br />
Yes, iZak™ fully supports OGG playback using the latest firmware.'<br />
<br />
:I was the one that removed it. In their specs linked from the main page, I saw that they listed only MP3 and WMA support for music formats. Obviously they need to update their promotional material! I went ahead and added the iZak back in, making a point to mention that the most current version of the firmware now supports Ogg Vorbis and linking to their FAQ as evidence. [[User:Saxifrage|Saxifrage]] 02:36, 5 May 2005 (PDT)<br />
<br />
:Splendid. I didn't want to just stick it back after it had been taken out.--[[User:Ipl|Ipl]] 05:14, 5 May 2005 (PDT)<br />
<br />
== Entempo Spirit ==<br />
<br />
This inexpensive player from [http://www.entempo.com/ Entempo] lists Ogg as a "Supported Audio Format", but the device will not index the Ogg files into it's menus -- let alone play the files. Tested with both the stock and most recent firmware, May 29, 2005. Vendor has been contacted.<br />
<br />
== Lexar LDP-800 dropped ==<br />
It seems that Lexar have abondoned the LDP-800. The following was posted by a user on [http://www.dapreview.net/comment.php?comment.news.1055 dapreview.net]<br />
" Unfortunately, lexar will not offer the LDP-800, but will focus instead<br />
on its existing LDP Players that already offer appealing features and<br />
benefits to meet a variety of consumer needs."<br />
Shame.--[[User:Ipl|Ipl]] 06:15, 22 Jul 2005 (PDT)</div>Iplhttps://wiki.xiph.org/index.php?title=Talk:PortablePlayers&diff=1448Talk:PortablePlayers2005-07-22T13:13:48Z<p>Ipl: </p>
<hr />
<div>There are many more portable players by TrekStor than the i.beat 500 supporting ogg vorbis.<br />
<br />
Please add products to the main page.<br />
<br />
<br />
I would like to know which Players can '''record''' in OGG?! -- [[User:217.186.150.213|217.186.150.213]] 17:03, 26 Dec 2004 (PST)<br />
<br />
== Pretec Allegro may need firmware update ==<br />
<br />
I recently purchased a Pretec Allegro, but was unable to play Oggs for three months, until the firmware update was made available on 14 or 15 March 2005. Now it works well! (So far, listening to -q3 Oggs). I'd hope that units purchased after this date already has the firmware update, but you never know. Installing the update is as simple as placing the .rom on the USB-storage-device media (eg flash disk), starting up the unit, and pressing the play button. -- Hugo van der Merwe<br />
<br />
== Any player with SD-Cards ==<br />
<br />
Every single ogg-capable portable player out there seems to come with built-in flash memory. Which is stupid, because I don't want to fire up my computer and plug in the player every time I get tired of the tracks on my player. Plus flash memory has a limited lifetime (write cycles) and so does your player with built-in memory. The same applies for built-in rechargable batteries. <br />
<br />
Now when would you ever need to buy your second device without any moving parts if you could just change flash memory and batteries? Ok, that's the industrie's point of view but not mine. I want to go on vacation with music and batteries for one week of non-stop music - without a power source or computer nearby.<br />
<br />
So, any hint to where I might find a portable audio player that can play back ogg vorbis files and uses SD flash cards (and preferably AAA-batteries) would be greatly appreciated.<br />
<br />
----<br />
<br />
The Pretec Allegro is not the slickest player out there, it's LCD backlight seems to give off a high-pitched whine, which not everyone can hear (it kind-of screams in my ears though, so I put the backlight timer on 1 second so it doesn't scream too long). It is, however, the only one I now know of that can play Oggs, and uses removable media. If you want a nicely portable device, you have to use Pretec's "iDisk tiny" usb flash disk, the only thing that will fit inside. You can also, however, connect some USB SD-card reader with it's cable, then listen to Oggs off of SD. A little unwieldy, but, it works, and is the only thing *I* know of. (I stopped following developments in December though, when I bought it...)<br />
<br />
== Samsung's Yepp Ogg Vorbis support ==<br />
<br />
JoshuaRodman wrote regarding the yp-t7z:<br />
:I received such a unit. It plays oggs encodd at -q 4, 5 and 6 without error that I have noticed. However it seems underdocumented. It plays the files in an order which is neither alpha sorted nor numeric sorted, and it does not support ogg tags. -- JoshuaRodman (March 28, 2005)<br />
:I've investigated more. Some music encoded at even -q 5 will break up or cause difficulty. I suspect these pieces have bitrate spikes. As for the ordering, the YP-T7 plays files in 'readdir' order. That is it does not sort the files out of the filesystem at all. In practice, this means it will play the files in the order that you add them to the directory. If you are a windows user dragging and dropping the files onto the player, this problem will not affect you. A linux or possible Mac user may need to do minor scripting to alleviate this issue. --JoshuaRodman (April 13, 2005)<br />
<br />
::Two questions: 1) are ogg tags not being displayed even when the Tag option is toggle to On in the settings menu? 2) how does it handle -q 4 and -q 6 &mdash; is it just -q 5, or is it -q 5 and higher/lower? &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Saxifrage|Saxifrage]] 01:07, 14 Apr 2005 (PDT)<br />
<br />
:::I have seen no evidence of vorbis tags being supported; they are not displayed. I have generally encoded at -q 5 as an attempt to stay inside the "supported" bitrate boundaries. I find that the bitrate and breakups are not directly correlated, but somewhat related. This is no surprise if the problem is CPU time exhaustion. I have not found any particular quality encoding to fail either reliably or often. In general, speeds above the stated maximum supported bitrates have seemed to work fine. No lockups of any kind have been encountered. Incidentally, over 90% of my ogg files have been processed by vorbisgain. --JoshuaRodman (July 5, 2005)<br />
<br />
<br />
I just bought one of these and I'm baffled by its erratic Ogg support. Firmware version 1.541 seems to support tags just fine, though I haven't noticed the alpha-sorting issue (haven't looked). However, I find that it can't play all my Ogg files (freezes when it tries to load the file), and there's nothing systematic that I've found to account for this. It plays some files I encoded [[Jan 29]]-[[Jan 30]], [[2005]], but there are files that don't work before and after that date. The files that work so far were encoded with nominal bitrates of 128 and 192, while others that don't work were at 160. All encodings have used the same program (Grip under Linux). Ogg files that I've encoded with oggenc directly for testing purposes at 160 nominal bitrate work just fine. There's just something about most of my existing files.<br />
<br />
I've emailed a support request to Samsung Canada, so I'll report what I find out then. Meanwhile I'm doing a bunch of rips with Grip to test different nominal bitrates. [[User:Saxifrage|Saxifrage]] 10:53, 12 Apr 2005 (PDT)<br />
<br />
:Results from my experiments with different nominal bitrates are summarised in this table:<br />
{| align=center border=1<br />
|+YP-T6 Ogg Vorbis support<br />
|-<br />
! &nbsp; !! Tags <br />
| none || tag* || tag + replaygain || replaygain<br />
|-<br />
!Bitrate (nominal) || &nbsp; || &nbsp; || &nbsp; || &nbsp; || &nbsp;<br />
|-<br />
| 128<br />
| &nbsp; || works || works || works || ?<br />
|-<br />
| 160<br />
| &nbsp; || works || works || '''freezes''' || works<br />
|-<br />
| 192<br />
| &nbsp; || works || works || works || ?<br />
|}<br />
:<nowiki>* </nowiki>"tag" means just the regular complement of artist, album, title, year, and genre.<br />
:"?" indicates that the case was not tested<br />
<br />
:My conclusion is that the Samsung YP-T6 can't handle Ogg Vorbis files encoded at 160 nominal bitrate if [[Wikipedia:ReplayGain|ReplayGain]] tags are applied to the file. Note too that I tested a file without real RG tags, but with the normal tags plus tags with different names than the standard RG tags but with the same name-length and same length of arguments; this was to isolate whether it was a ReplayGain-specific bug or a general tag-handling bug. Thus, I suspect that the problem is a buffer overflow in tag code of the firmware. '''Note''' that I have only tested files encoded with nominal bitrates, not files encoded with oggenc's quality settings.<br />
:The few files in my collection that have worked were encoded at different bitrates (either 128 or 192), but unfortunately the vast majority are 160, and I need ReplayGain to be able to listen to my collection on the PC without constantly changing the volume. As a workaround I may write a script to strip the ReplayGain tags as they're moved to my player, but this rather sucks. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Saxifrage|Saxifrage]] 12:36, 12 Apr 2005 (PDT)<br />
<br />
=== Yepp MT-6X ===<br />
<br />
:I ([[User:Gav|Gav]]) own a Yepp MT-6X and I don't come to the same conclusions. I tried to remove the Gain tags and it didn't improve anything. Here are some tests I made :<br />
<br />
{| align=center border=1<br />
|+YP-MT6X Ogg Vorbis support<br />
|-<br />
! Encoder version || Filename || Nominal bitrate || Playback test<br />
|-<br />
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20000508 (1.0 beta 1 or beta 2) || 01 - In Tenebris.ogg || unset (160 kbps) || KO<br />
|-<br />
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20001031 (1.0 beta 3) || 01 - A Day Without Rain.ogg || 160 kbps || KO<br />
|-<br />
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20010225 (1.0 beta 4) || 01 - Sunday Bloody Sunday.ogg || 128 kbps || KO<br />
|-<br />
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20010615 (1.0 rc1) || 01 - Remede.ogg || 128 kbps || KO<br />
|-<br />
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20010813 (1.0 rc2) || 01 - Devil's Haircut.ogg || 192 kbps || OK<br />
|-<br />
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20011231 (1.0 rc3) || 01 - Encore Une Chance.ogg || 112 kbps || OK<br />
|-<br />
|Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20020717 (1.0) || 01 - Inferno (Unleash The Fire).ogg || 160 kbps || KO<br />
|-<br />
|Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20030909 (1.0.1) || 01 - You Will Be a Hot Dancer.ogg || 128 kbps || OK<br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
<br />
Yes, a 1.0 file fails... I also tested a 8 second file encoded at q1,q2,...,q10 using 20020717 (1.0) and it worked for every quality ! So not every 1.0-encoded file fails. See [[YeppGavDetails]] for details about the files.<br />
<br />
: OK. I've done extensive tests and I can confirm what Saxifrage suggested : there is indeed a buffer overflow in the tag handling ! When the framing bit of the tag header is at offset >= 0x18C, it fails. If it is at exactly 0x18C, it reboots or freezes. If it is at offset > 0x18C, it always freezes. This was tested with firmware 1.101 and vorbis encoder 1.0.<br />
<br />
: The file encoded using libVorbis 1.0 in the table above has a too large tag and that's why it fails.<br />
<br />
: In summary, the Yepp can only play Vorbis when it is encoded with libVorbis version >= 1.0rc2 AND when the framing bit of the tag header is at offset < 0x18C.<br />
<br />
== UniBrain iZak ==<br />
<br />
Apologies if this is the wrong place for this; I'm new to wikis.<br />
<br />
The UniBrain iZak was added, then removed recently, with the comment that it doesn't claim to play Ogg Vorbis.<br />
<br />
The FAQ is available here: [http://www.unibrain.com/support/iZak/iZak_FAQ.htm iZak FAQ] and Question/Answer 22 says:<br />
<br />
'22. Can iZak™ support OGG audio files?<br />
<br />
Yes, iZak™ fully supports OGG playback using the latest firmware.'<br />
<br />
:I was the one that removed it. In their specs linked from the main page, I saw that they listed only MP3 and WMA support for music formats. Obviously they need to update their promotional material! I went ahead and added the iZak back in, making a point to mention that the most current version of the firmware now supports Ogg Vorbis and linking to their FAQ as evidence. [[User:Saxifrage|Saxifrage]] 02:36, 5 May 2005 (PDT)<br />
<br />
:Splendid. I didn't want to just stick it back after it had been taken out.--[[User:Ipl|Ipl]] 05:14, 5 May 2005 (PDT)<br />
<br />
== Entempo Spirit ==<br />
<br />
This inexpensive player from [http://www.entempo.com/ Entempo] lists Ogg as a "Supported Audio Format", but the device will not index the Ogg files into it's menus -- let alone play the files. Tested with both the stock and most recent firmware, May 29, 2005. Vendor has been contacted.<br />
<br />
== Lexar LDP-800 dropped ==<br />
It seems that Lexar have abondoned the LDP-800. The following was posted by a user on [http://www.dapreview.net/comment.php?comment.news.1055 dapreview.net]<br />
" Unfortunately, lexar will not offer the LDP-800, but will focus instead<br />
on its existing LDP Players that already offer appealing features and<br />
benefits to meet a variety of consumer needs."<br />
Shame.</div>Iplhttps://wiki.xiph.org/index.php?title=Talk:PortablePlayers&diff=1398Talk:PortablePlayers2005-05-05T12:14:09Z<p>Ipl: /* UniBrain iZak */</p>
<hr />
<div>There are many more portable players by TrekStor than the i.beat 500 supporting ogg vorbis.<br />
<br />
Please add products to the main page.<br />
<br />
<br />
I would like to know which Players can '''record''' in OGG?! -- [[User:217.186.150.213|217.186.150.213]] 17:03, 26 Dec 2004 (PST)<br />
<br />
== Pretec Allegro may need firmware update ==<br />
<br />
I recently purchased a Pretec Allegro, but was unable to play Oggs for three months, until the firmware update was made available on 14 or 15 March 2005. Now it works well! (So far, listening to -q3 Oggs). I'd hope that units purchased after this date already has the firmware update, but you never know. Installing the update is as simple as placing the .rom on the USB-storage-device media (eg flash disk), starting up the unit, and pressing the play button. -- Hugo van der Merwe<br />
<br />
== Any player with SD-Cards ==<br />
<br />
Every single ogg-capable portable player out there seems to come with built-in flash memory. Which is stupid, because I don't want to fire up my computer and plug in the player every time I get tired of the tracks on my player. Plus flash memory has a limited lifetime (write cycles) and so does your player with built-in memory. The same applies for built-in rechargable batteries. <br />
<br />
Now when would you ever need to buy your second device without any moving parts if you could just change flash memory and batteries? Ok, that's the industrie's point of view but not mine. I want to go on vacation with music and batteries for one week of non-stop music - without a power source or computer nearby.<br />
<br />
So, any hint to where I might find a portable audio player that can play back ogg vorbis files and uses SD flash cards (and preferably AAA-batteries) would be greatly appreciated.<br />
<br />
----<br />
<br />
The Pretec Allegro is not the slickest player out there, it's LCD backlight seems to give off a high-pitched whine, which not everyone can hear (it kind-of screams in my ears though, so I put the backlight timer on 1 second so it doesn't scream too long). It is, however, the only one I now know of that can play Oggs, and uses removable media. If you want a nicely portable device, you have to use Pretec's "iDisk tiny" usb flash disk, the only thing that will fit inside. You can also, however, connect some USB SD-card reader with it's cable, then listen to Oggs off of SD. A little unwieldy, but, it works, and is the only thing *I* know of. (I stopped following developments in December though, when I bought it...)<br />
<br />
== Samsung's Yepp Ogg Vorbis support ==<br />
<br />
JoshuaRodman wrote in the article under the Samsung Yepp flash-based player entry (I've moved it here and inserted a link to this take page instead):<br />
:I received such a unit. It plays oggs encodd at -q 4, 5 and 6 without error that I have noticed. However it seems underdocumented. It plays the files in an order which is neither alpha sorted nor numeric sorted, and it does not support ogg tags. -- JoshuaRodman (March 28, 2005)<br />
:I've investigated more. Some music encoded at even -q 5 will break up or cause difficulty. I suspect these pieces have bitrate spikes. As for the ordering, the YP-T7 plays files in 'readdir' order. That is it does not sort the files out of the filesystem at all. In practice, this means it will play the files in the order that you add them to the directory. If you are a windows user dragging and dropping the files onto the player, this problem will not affect you. A linux or possible Mac user may need to do minor scripting to alleviate this issue. --JoshuaRodman (April 13, 2005)<br />
<br />
::Two questions: 1) are ogg tags not being displayed even when the Tag option is toggle to On in the settings menu? 2) how does it handle -q 4 and -q 6 &mdash; is it just -q 5, or is it -q 5 and higher/lower? &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Saxifrage|Saxifrage]] 01:07, 14 Apr 2005 (PDT)<br />
<br />
I just bought one of these and I'm baffled by its erratic Ogg support. Firmware version 1.541 seems to support tags just fine, though I haven't noticed the alpha-sorting issue (haven't looked). However, I find that it can't play all my Ogg files (freezes when it tries to load the file), and there's nothing systematic that I've found to account for this. It plays some files I encoded [[Jan 29]]-[[Jan 30]], [[2005]], but there are files that don't work before and after that date. The files that work so far were encoded with nominal bitrates of 128 and 192, while others that don't work were at 160. All encodings have used the same program (Grip under Linux). Ogg files that I've encoded with oggenc directly for testing purposes at 160 nominal bitrate work just fine. There's just something about most of my existing files.<br />
<br />
I've emailed a support request to Samsung Canada, so I'll report what I find out then. Meanwhile I'm doing a bunch of rips with Grip to test different nominal bitrates. [[User:Saxifrage|Saxifrage]] 10:53, 12 Apr 2005 (PDT)<br />
<br />
:Results from my experiments with different nominal bitrates are summarised in this table:<br />
{| align=center border=1<br />
|+YP-T6 Ogg Vorbis support<br />
|-<br />
! &nbsp; !! Tags <br />
| none || tag* || tag + replaygain || replaygain<br />
|-<br />
!Bitrate (nominal) || &nbsp; || &nbsp; || &nbsp; || &nbsp; || &nbsp;<br />
|-<br />
| 128<br />
| &nbsp; || works || works || works || ?<br />
|-<br />
| 160<br />
| &nbsp; || works || works || '''freezes''' || works<br />
|-<br />
| 192<br />
| &nbsp; || works || works || works || ?<br />
|}<br />
:<nowiki>* </nowiki>"tag" means just the regular complement of artist, album, title, year, and genre.<br />
:"?" indicates that the case was not tested<br />
<br />
:My conclusion is that the Samsung YP-T6 can't handle Ogg Vorbis files encoded at 160 nominal bitrate if [[Wikipedia:ReplayGain|ReplayGain]] tags are applied to the file. Note too that I tested a file without real RG tags, but with the normal tags plus tags with different names than the standard RG tags but with the same name-length and same length of arguments; this was to isolate whether it was a ReplayGain-specific bug or a general tag-handling bug. Thus, I suspect that the problem is a buffer overflow in tag code of the firmware. '''Note''' that I have only tested files encoded with nominal bitrates, not files encoded with oggenc's quality settings.<br />
:The few files in my collection that have worked were encoded at different bitrates (either 128 or 192), but unfortunately the vast majority are 160, and I need ReplayGain to be able to listen to my collection on the PC without constantly changing the volume. As a workaround I may write a script to strip the ReplayGain tags as they're moved to my player, but this rather sucks. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Saxifrage|Saxifrage]] 12:36, 12 Apr 2005 (PDT)<br />
<br />
=== Yepp MT-6X ===<br />
<br />
:I ([[User:Gav|Gav]]) own a Yepp MT-6X and I don't come to the same conclusions. I tried to remove the Gain tags and it didn't improve anything. Here are some tests I made :<br />
<br />
{| align=center border=1<br />
|+YP-MT6X Ogg Vorbis support<br />
|-<br />
! Encoder version || Filename || Nominal bitrate || Playback test<br />
|-<br />
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20000508 (1.0 beta 1 or beta 2) || 01 - In Tenebris.ogg || unset (160 kbps) || KO<br />
|-<br />
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20001031 (1.0 beta 3) || 01 - A Day Without Rain.ogg || 160 kbps || KO<br />
|-<br />
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20010225 (1.0 beta 4) || 01 - Sunday Bloody Sunday.ogg || 128 kbps || KO<br />
|-<br />
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20010615 (1.0 rc1) || 01 - Remede.ogg || 128 kbps || KO<br />
|-<br />
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20010813 (1.0 rc2) || 01 - Devil's Haircut.ogg || 192 kbps || OK<br />
|-<br />
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20011231 (1.0 rc3) || 01 - Encore Une Chance.ogg || 112 kbps || OK<br />
|-<br />
|Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20020717 (1.0) || 01 - Inferno (Unleash The Fire).ogg || 160 kbps || KO<br />
|-<br />
|Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20030909 (1.0.1) || 01 - You Will Be a Hot Dancer.ogg || 128 kbps || OK<br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
<br />
Yes, a 1.0 file fails... I also tested a 8 second file encoded at q1,q2,...,q10 using 20020717 (1.0) and it worked for every quality ! So not every 1.0-encoded file fails. See [[YeppGavDetails]] for details about the files.<br />
<br />
: OK. I've done extensive tests and I can confirm what Saxifrage suggested : there is indeed a buffer overflow in the tag handling ! When the framing bit of the tag header is at offset >= 0x18C, it fails. If it is at exactly 0x18C, it reboots or freezes. If it is at offset > 0x18C, it always freezes. This was tested with firmware 1.101 and vorbis encoder 1.0.<br />
<br />
: The file encoded using libVorbis 1.0 in the table above has a too large tag and that's why it fails.<br />
<br />
: In summary, the Yepp can only play Vorbis when it is encoded with libVorbis version >= 1.0rc2 AND when the framing bit of the tag header is at offset < 0x18C.<br />
<br />
== UniBrain iZak ==<br />
<br />
Apologies if this is the wrong place for this; I'm new to wikis.<br />
<br />
The UniBrain iZak was added, then removed recently, with the comment that it doesn't claim to play Ogg Vorbis.<br />
<br />
The FAQ is available here: [http://www.unibrain.com/support/iZak/iZak_FAQ.htm iZak FAQ] and Question/Answer 22 says:<br />
<br />
'22. Can iZak™ support OGG audio files?<br />
<br />
Yes, iZak™ fully supports OGG playback using the latest firmware.'<br />
<br />
:I was the one that removed it. In their specs linked from the main page, I saw that they listed only MP3 and WMA support for music formats. Obviously they need to update their promotional material! I went ahead and added the iZak back in, making a point to mention that the most current version of the firmware now supports Ogg Vorbis and linking to their FAQ as evidence. [[User:Saxifrage|Saxifrage]] 02:36, 5 May 2005 (PDT)<br />
<br />
:Splendid. I didn't want to just stick it back after it had been taken out.--[[User:Ipl|Ipl]] 05:14, 5 May 2005 (PDT)</div>Iplhttps://wiki.xiph.org/index.php?title=Talk:PortablePlayers&diff=1249Talk:PortablePlayers2005-05-05T09:13:55Z<p>Ipl: UniBrain iZak</p>
<hr />
<div>There are many more portable players by TrekStor than the i.beat 500 supporting ogg vorbis.<br />
<br />
Please add products to the main page.<br />
<br />
<br />
I would like to know which Players can '''record''' in OGG?! -- [[User:217.186.150.213|217.186.150.213]] 17:03, 26 Dec 2004 (PST)<br />
<br />
== Pretec Allegro may need firmware update ==<br />
<br />
I recently purchased a Pretec Allegro, but was unable to play Oggs for three months, until the firmware update was made available on 14 or 15 March 2005. Now it works well! (So far, listening to -q3 Oggs). I'd hope that units purchased after this date already has the firmware update, but you never know. Installing the update is as simple as placing the .rom on the USB-storage-device media (eg flash disk), starting up the unit, and pressing the play button. -- Hugo van der Merwe<br />
<br />
== Any player with SD-Cards ==<br />
<br />
Every single ogg-capable portable player out there seems to come with built-in flash memory. Which is stupid, because I don't want to fire up my computer and plug in the player every time I get tired of the tracks on my player. Plus flash memory has a limited lifetime (write cycles) and so does your player with built-in memory. The same applies for built-in rechargable batteries. <br />
<br />
Now when would you ever need to buy your second device without any moving parts if you could just change flash memory and batteries? Ok, that's the industrie's point of view but not mine. I want to go on vacation with music and batteries for one week of non-stop music - without a power source or computer nearby.<br />
<br />
So, any hint to where I might find a portable audio player that can play back ogg vorbis files and uses SD flash cards (and preferably AAA-batteries) would be greatly appreciated.<br />
<br />
----<br />
<br />
The Pretec Allegro is not the slickest player out there, it's LCD backlight seems to give off a high-pitched whine, which not everyone can hear (it kind-of screams in my ears though, so I put the backlight timer on 1 second so it doesn't scream too long). It is, however, the only one I now know of that can play Oggs, and uses removable media. If you want a nicely portable device, you have to use Pretec's "iDisk tiny" usb flash disk, the only thing that will fit inside. You can also, however, connect some USB SD-card reader with it's cable, then listen to Oggs off of SD. A little unwieldy, but, it works, and is the only thing *I* know of. (I stopped following developments in December though, when I bought it...)<br />
<br />
== Samsung's Yepp Ogg Vorbis support ==<br />
<br />
JoshuaRodman wrote in the article under the Samsung Yepp flash-based player entry (I've moved it here and inserted a link to this take page instead):<br />
:I received such a unit. It plays oggs encodd at -q 4, 5 and 6 without error that I have noticed. However it seems underdocumented. It plays the files in an order which is neither alpha sorted nor numeric sorted, and it does not support ogg tags. -- JoshuaRodman (March 28, 2005)<br />
:I've investigated more. Some music encoded at even -q 5 will break up or cause difficulty. I suspect these pieces have bitrate spikes. As for the ordering, the YP-T7 plays files in 'readdir' order. That is it does not sort the files out of the filesystem at all. In practice, this means it will play the files in the order that you add them to the directory. If you are a windows user dragging and dropping the files onto the player, this problem will not affect you. A linux or possible Mac user may need to do minor scripting to alleviate this issue. --JoshuaRodman (April 13, 2005)<br />
<br />
::Two questions: 1) are ogg tags not being displayed even when the Tag option is toggle to On in the settings menu? 2) how does it handle -q 4 and -q 6 &mdash; is it just -q 5, or is it -q 5 and higher/lower? &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Saxifrage|Saxifrage]] 01:07, 14 Apr 2005 (PDT)<br />
<br />
I just bought one of these and I'm baffled by its erratic Ogg support. Firmware version 1.541 seems to support tags just fine, though I haven't noticed the alpha-sorting issue (haven't looked). However, I find that it can't play all my Ogg files (freezes when it tries to load the file), and there's nothing systematic that I've found to account for this. It plays some files I encoded [[Jan 29]]-[[Jan 30]], [[2005]], but there are files that don't work before and after that date. The files that work so far were encoded with nominal bitrates of 128 and 192, while others that don't work were at 160. All encodings have used the same program (Grip under Linux). Ogg files that I've encoded with oggenc directly for testing purposes at 160 nominal bitrate work just fine. There's just something about most of my existing files.<br />
<br />
I've emailed a support request to Samsung Canada, so I'll report what I find out then. Meanwhile I'm doing a bunch of rips with Grip to test different nominal bitrates. [[User:Saxifrage|Saxifrage]] 10:53, 12 Apr 2005 (PDT)<br />
<br />
:Results from my experiments with different nominal bitrates are summarised in this table:<br />
{| align=center border=1<br />
|+YP-T6 Ogg Vorbis support<br />
|-<br />
! &nbsp; !! Tags <br />
| none || tag* || tag + replaygain || replaygain<br />
|-<br />
!Bitrate (nominal) || &nbsp; || &nbsp; || &nbsp; || &nbsp; || &nbsp;<br />
|-<br />
| 128<br />
| &nbsp; || works || works || works || ?<br />
|-<br />
| 160<br />
| &nbsp; || works || works || '''freezes''' || works<br />
|-<br />
| 192<br />
| &nbsp; || works || works || works || ?<br />
|}<br />
:<nowiki>* </nowiki>"tag" means just the regular complement of artist, album, title, year, and genre.<br />
:"?" indicates that the case was not tested<br />
<br />
:My conclusion is that the Samsung YP-T6 can't handle Ogg Vorbis files encoded at 160 nominal bitrate if [[Wikipedia:ReplayGain|ReplayGain]] tags are applied to the file. Note too that I tested a file without real RG tags, but with the normal tags plus tags with different names than the standard RG tags but with the same name-length and same length of arguments; this was to isolate whether it was a ReplayGain-specific bug or a general tag-handling bug. Thus, I suspect that the problem is a buffer overflow in tag code of the firmware. '''Note''' that I have only tested files encoded with nominal bitrates, not files encoded with oggenc's quality settings.<br />
:The few files in my collection that have worked were encoded at different bitrates (either 128 or 192), but unfortunately the vast majority are 160, and I need ReplayGain to be able to listen to my collection on the PC without constantly changing the volume. As a workaround I may write a script to strip the ReplayGain tags as they're moved to my player, but this rather sucks. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Saxifrage|Saxifrage]] 12:36, 12 Apr 2005 (PDT)<br />
<br />
=== Yepp MT-6X ===<br />
<br />
:I ([[User:Gav|Gav]]) own a Yepp MT-6X and I don't come to the same conclusions. I tried to remove the Gain tags and it didn't improve anything. Here are some tests I made :<br />
<br />
{| align=center border=1<br />
|+YP-MT6X Ogg Vorbis support<br />
|-<br />
! Encoder version || Filename || Nominal bitrate || Playback test<br />
|-<br />
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20000508 (1.0 beta 1 or beta 2) || 01 - In Tenebris.ogg || unset (160 kbps) || KO<br />
|-<br />
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20001031 (1.0 beta 3) || 01 - A Day Without Rain.ogg || 160 kbps || KO<br />
|-<br />
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20010225 (1.0 beta 4) || 01 - Sunday Bloody Sunday.ogg || 128 kbps || KO<br />
|-<br />
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20010615 (1.0 rc1) || 01 - Remede.ogg || 128 kbps || KO<br />
|-<br />
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20010813 (1.0 rc2) || 01 - Devil's Haircut.ogg || 192 kbps || OK<br />
|-<br />
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20011231 (1.0 rc3) || 01 - Encore Une Chance.ogg || 112 kbps || OK<br />
|-<br />
|Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20020717 (1.0) || 01 - Inferno (Unleash The Fire).ogg || 160 kbps || KO<br />
|-<br />
|Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20030909 (1.0.1) || 01 - You Will Be a Hot Dancer.ogg || 128 kbps || OK<br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
<br />
Yes, a 1.0 file fails... I also tested a 8 second file encoded at q1,q2,...,q10 using 20020717 (1.0) and it worked for every quality ! So not every 1.0-encoded file fails. See [[YeppGavDetails]] for details about the files.<br />
<br />
: OK. I've done extensive tests and I can confirm what Saxifrage suggested : there is indeed a buffer overflow in the tag handling ! When the framing bit of the tag header is at offset >= 0x18C, it fails. If it is at exactly 0x18C, it reboots or freezes. If it is at offset > 0x18C, it always freezes. This was tested with firmware 1.101 and vorbis encoder 1.0.<br />
<br />
: The file encoded using libVorbis 1.0 in the table above has a too large tag and that's why it fails.<br />
<br />
: In summary, the Yepp can only play Vorbis when it is encoded with libVorbis version >= 1.0rc2 AND when the framing bit of the tag header is at offset < 0x18C.<br />
<br />
== UniBrain iZak ==<br />
<br />
Apologies if this is the wrong place for this; I'm new to wikis.<br />
<br />
The UniBrain iZak was added, then removed recently, with the comment that it doesn't claim to play Ogg Vorbis.<br />
<br />
The FAQ is available here: [http://www.unibrain.com/support/iZak/iZak_FAQ.htm iZak FAQ] and Question/Answer 22 says:<br />
<br />
'22. Can iZak™ support OGG audio files?<br />
<br />
Yes, iZak™ fully supports OGG playback using the latest firmware.'</div>Iplhttps://wiki.xiph.org/index.php?title=PortablePlayers&diff=1187PortablePlayers2005-04-11T11:50:42Z<p>Ipl: Added entry for i-BEAD 170 & 400</p>
<hr />
<div>Here you can find all mobile players known to support Ogg [[Vorbis]].<br />
<br />
== Flash Memory Storage ==<br />
<br />
* [http://www.netonnet.se/item.asp?iid=61510 Avant] MP-8256, MP-8512, MP-81000<br />
:Looks like another whitebox label (?) No official website found yet, but three models are offered in shops: MP-8256 with 256MB memory, MP-8512 (512MB) and MP-81000 (1GB). Plays not only Ogg Vorbis, but [[MP3]], [[WMA]] and even JPEG via colour display. <br />
<br />
* [http://enox.co.kr/2004/eng/product/product_830_01.asp ENOX] EMX-830<br />
:'The lightest and the smallest one among AAA type MP3 players.' Supports MP3, WMA, ASF, WAV, and Ogg Vorbis, has FM tuner, line-in and mic with direct MP3 encoding. Comes with 128/256/512/1024MB flash memory and USB 2.0 interface.<br />
<br />
* [http://www.ez-av.com/english/product/index.html EZAV's] EMP-500, EMP-400<br />
:The EMP-500 is a very light player, comes with 256/512/1024MB storage and supports MP3, WMA, and Ogg Vorbis. The EMP-400 has 256MB storage.<br />
<br />
* [http://eng.iaudio.com/ iAudio] U2, G3<br />
:The iAudio U2 is a small flash-based player (256MB/512MB/1GB), but may need a firmware upgrade to support Vorbis. See the download section of the homepage for that. The iAudio G3 offers the same storage sizes, and supports Ogg Vorbis out-of-the-box.<br />
<br />
* [http://www.ibead.co.kr/coding/eng/ i-BEAD] 170, 400<br />
:The i-BEAD 170 & 400 models are small, light flash-based players with built in Lithium-Polymer batteries. They also have OLED displays, and FM & line-in recording. Both are available in 256MB/512MB/1GB and both support Ogg Vorbis after a firmware upgrade.<br />
<br />
* [http://www.iops.co.kr/enghome/index.html Iops] MFP-312, MFP-325, MFP-350<br />
:Iops offers the MFP-300 series player with 128/256/512MB/1GB internal flash memory. They offer voice and FM radio recording whilst maintaining a lightweight portable size.<br />
<br />
* [http://www.iriver.com/ iRiver's] iFP-3xx, iFP-5xx, iFP-7xx, iFP-8xx, iFP-9xx, iFP-10xx, iFP-11xx<br />
:iRiver has a huge line of flash-based players with various memory sizes (128MB to 1GB). Some of these players may need an updated firmware in order to play Ogg Vorbis files, see the [http://www.iriver.com/support/download.asp support download page] for that. Note -- only certain bitrates are supported, various problems are reported including reboots, silence and random noise when a VBR Vorbis passes outside the limit (96-225 Kbps.)<br />
<br />
* [http://www.jensofsweden.com/ Jens Of Sweden's] MP-130, MP-400<br />
:The MP-130 is a portable player with flash memory in 128/256/512MB sizes. This appears to be a rebranded Iops player. The MP-400 is a tiny machine with lots of features (line in, mic, fm radio, usb 2.0). With the updated 4.1 firmware it supports Ogg Vorbis files encoded with libvorbis version 1.0rc2 or later. When trying to play files encoded with earlier versions it freezes on playback, requiring an USB connect or reset button pressed (through a tiny hole) to wake up again.<br />
<br />
* [http://www.jnc-digital.com/Eng/ JNC's] SSF-2002, SSF-2005<br />
:These are flash-based players with 256 MB respectively 512 MB storage capacity. They have the usual FM radio which can be recorded in addition to voice. They also have a 1,9" color display.<br />
<br />
* [http://www.lexar.com/mp3/index.html Lexar's] LDP-800<br />
:Available from 03/2005 the LDP-800 is offering MP3, WMA and Ogg Vorbis Support with 256/512MB storage. It has a digital out, FM receiver and transmitter, can record from FM, mic and line-in and has a SD-card slot. Includes Sennheiser earbuds.<br />
<br />
* [http://www.maxfield.de/ Maxfield's] Max-Diamond<br />
: It's not yet on the homepage, but the Max-Diamond will be released in 03/2005 and supports MP3, Ogg Vorbis and WMA (DRM). It has 512MB flash memory and can record from FM radio.<br />
<br />
* [http://mpeye.net/ MPeye] TS-400<br />
:a flash player which comes in 128MB/256MB/512MB/1GB sizes, has a FM-receiver, colour display and a voice recorder. <br />
<br />
* [http://www.muzio.co.kr/ Muzio's] JM100, JM200<br />
:Another Korean manufacturer jumps in and offers small flash-based players with 128MB up to 1GB storage capacities. They support the usual formats MP3/WMA/Ogg Vorbis, can record voice, receive FM radio.<br />
<br />
* [http://neurosaudio.com/store/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=DigitalInnovationsCatalog&category%5Fname=Neuros+Players&product%5Fid=4021500 Neuros'] Neuros II<br />
:The Neuros II can be used as a stand-alone flash-player. You can later buy an HDD "backpack" from 20 to 80 gigs in size and switch the backpacks as you please. This player now has a free software(open-source) firmware.<br />
<br />
* [http://www.pretec.com/OnlineSales/SSD/iDisk/Allegro/Allegro.htm Pretec's] Allegro<br />
:The player supports MP3, WMA and Ogg Vorbis formats, uses USB Flash Drives for storage, has a 128x64 pixel blue screen with file info in 5 languages, 6 preset sound stages, one user defined graphic equalizer, low power consumption.<br />
<br />
* [http://www.samsung.com/Products/ Samsung] / [http://www.yepp.co.kr/ Yepp] (product label), YP-T6, YP-T7<br />
:The YP-T6 is an incredibly small flash player with 128/256/512/1024 MB storage, has a mic and FM radio and supports MP3, WMA (DRM) and Ogg Vorbis. The YP-T7 has either 512MB or 1GB capacity and supports the same audio formats. It can display JPEGs on its color display.<br />
<br />
I received such a unit. It plays oggs encodd at -q 4, 5 and 6 without error<br />
that I have noticed. However it seems underdocumented. It plays the files<br />
in an order which is neither alpha sorted nor numeric sorted, and it does<br />
not support ogg tags. -- JoshuaRodman (March 28, 2005)<br />
<br />
* [http://www.trekstor.de/ TrekStor's] iBeat fresh, iBeat organix<br />
:The iBeat fresh comes with 256/512 MB storage has a 64K color display and the usual features. The iBeat organix is supposed to get a firmware upgrade and comes with 256/512/1024 MB flash memory.<br />
<br />
* [http://www.wigobyte.com/ Wigo's] CVM-101, CVM-103, CVM-300, CVS-100<br />
:Korean players with slick design, comes in 128/256/512/1024 MB depending on models. Support MP3/WMA/Ogg, FM receiver, voice recorder. Note: Ogg bitrates supported may be limited, check the manufacturer's specification for each device for details.<br />
<br />
* [http://www.xcent.co.kr Xcent's] XT100<br />
:This player is sold in the U.K. and comes with 256/512MB. It supports MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis and has FM radio and voice recording. It also works under Linux (kernel 2.4 upwards) and FreeBSD 5.3 (recognised as a removable mass storage device).<br />
<br />
== Harddisk Storage ==<br />
<br />
* [http://www.airlinktek.com/ AL Tech's] MG-25, MG-35, MG350HD<br />
:The Mediagate MG-25 is a portable HDD that supports also media playback. It uses a 2,5" disk and USB2.0 to connect, and supports MPEG-1/-2/-4, DivX, Xvid, MP3, Ogg Vorbis, JPG. It can upsample to HDTV, has composite, component and s-video outs, stereo and a digital out. Remote control is included. The MG-35 uses a 3,5" HDD instead, supports WMA and ethernet. The MG350HD uses a 3,5" HDD as well and supports HDTV.<br />
<br />
* [http://www.boghe.com/products/audio/vip20.htm Boghe] Vip20<br />
:The Vip20 seems to be similar to the iBeat 500 from TrekStor and Xclef HD-800. It has the same features: MP3, WMA, WAV, Ogg Vorbis decoding plus 20 GB storage.<br />
<br />
* [http://www.commodore.net/ Commodore's] eVic<br />
:The eVic has 20GB storage and plays WMA (incl. DRM), MP3 and Ogg Vorbis. It can record voice and music, and has USB host functionality.<br />
<br />
* [http://www.freecom.com/ Freecom's] MediaPlayer-3<br />
:This is again sort of an external HDD that can play media without a PC. It supports DivX, MP3, MPEG-4, AVI, WMA, ASF and Ogg Vorbis. It is not yet listed on the webpage though.<br />
<br />
* [http://www.godot.com.tw/ GoDot] M8170, M8270, M8370, M8470, M8570<br />
:GoDot's HD players have capacity ranging from 2.2gb to 20gb. Each model is very different. They support Ogg Vorbis, MP3 and WMA (some models support DRM).<br />
<br />
* [http://www.hama.de/portal?lid=2 Hama's] VSV-20<br />
:The VSV-20 has the usual mobile MP3 HDD player size and can read/write from its 16in1 memory card reader and 20 GB internal HDD. But it can do more than audio (MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis, AAC). It supports image (JPEG) and video (MPEG-1/-4) playback on the 2" display and on a connected TV. It even includes a remote control.<br />
<br />
* [http://eng.iaudio.com/ iAudio] M3, X5<br />
:The iAudio M3 is a portable harddisk player with either 20 or 40 GB of storage. It has a built-in FM radio and mic. It supports MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis and WAV and even FLAC with the newest firmware upgrade. See this [http://gear.ign.com/articles/522/522090p1.html IGN article] for more info. <br />
:The [http://www.engadget.com/entry/0377386638551474 iAudio M5] is announced for end 2004. It comes with colour display and USB-on-the-go function for 20GB storage.<br />
:It appears that the M5 is indeed called X5 and already available through [http://www.mp3-player.de/artikel.php?ArtNr=1375&id=128 Shops] in 20GB, 30GB and 60GB. It hasn't been listed on iAudio's English pages, but was mentioned in a [http://eng.cowon.com/hboard/view.php?boardID=E03&number=48 press release] earlier this year:<br />
::"<i>Other major new releases on display include the iAUDIO X5, a next-generation HDD-type MP3 player featuring a 1.8 inch, 260,000 color LCD, and iAUDIO M5L, a super-light, ultra-compact HDD-type MP3 player. iAUDIO X5, a state-of-the-art HDD-type MP3 player can not only play music, but various images and videos as well without a PC by directly connecting to a digital camera using its OTG (On-The-Go) feature. iAUDIO M5L is a HDD-type MP3 player that features 36 hours of continuous playback time, probably the longest of its kind in the world.</i>"<br />
<br />
* [http://www.ivmm.com/innoax/products_innopod.html InnoAX's] InnoPod<br />
:This is a iPod mini clone, that supports MP3, WMA, WAV and Ogg Vorbis. It supports recording from line-in and mic, has a 4 GB harddrive and USB2.0.<br />
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* [http://www.iriver.com/ iRiver's] iHP-1xx, H1xx, H2xx, H3xx, iGP-100<br />
:iRiver has also a number of harddisk based items that play back Ogg Vorbis. Older models like the [http://www.iriver.com/product/info.asp?p_name=iHP-100 iHP-100] and the [http://www.iriver.co.kr/product/info.asp?p_group=iHP&amp;p_name=iHP-115 iHP-115] come in 10 and 15 GB sizes and need a firmware update (see the [http://www.iriver.com/support/download.asp support downloads] for that). The [http://www.iriver.com/product/info.asp?p_name=iHP-120 iHP-120], a 20GB portable player, and the [http://www.iriver.com/product/info.asp?p_name=iHP-140 iHP-140], a 40GB version, support Vorbis playback out of the box. Read reviews here: [http://gear.ign.com/articles/435/435472p1.html IGN on iHP-100], [http://gear.ign.com/articles/457/457818p1.html IGN on iHP-120]. The [http://www.iriveramerica.com/products/iGP-100.asp iGP-100], a 1.5Gb portable player, supports Vorbis, according to the FAQ, though no firmware upgrade appears to be required. The new line of harddisk players [http://www.iriver.com/product/info.asp?p_name=H140H110 H120, H140] come in 10 to 40 GB sizes. There is also a product line with USB host function and colour display that supports 32-500kbs: [http://www.iriver.com/product/info.asp?p_name=H340 H320, H340].<br />
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* [http://www.jetaudio.com/products/tvix/ JetAudio's] [http://www.tvix.co.kr/eng/ Dvico's] TViX<br />
:This is a rather unique device. JetAudio calls it a multimedia jukebox, music tank, photo album and last but not least a portable storage. It is bigger than usual portable devices, but has also a lot more options. It can connect to the PC (USB 2.0), TV (S-Video, Composite), stereos and 5.1 surround systems (Coaxial/Optical) and comes with a remote control. Supported video formats are DVD (MPEG-2), VCD (MPEG-1), DivX, Xvid. Supported Audio formats are MP3, WMA and Ogg Vorbis. It can display JPEG pictures on the TV. It is available without a harddrive, or equipped with harddrive sizes up to 200 GB.<br />
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* [http://www.jnc-digital.com/Eng/ JNC's] SSF-M3, SSF-M5<br />
:The SSF-M3 comes with 20/40GB storage size, whereas the SSF-M5 has only 1.5 GB. Both support voice recording and FM radio. The SSF-M3 is more stylish and very slim and comes with a docking station.<br />
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* [http://www.lge.com/ LG's] Mediagate<br />
:This player is similar to the Modix or TViX. It is a portable USB HDD equipped with a 2,5" drive (size varies). It plays audio (MP3, Ogg Vorbis, WMA), video (MPEG-1/-2, Xvid, DivX) and images (JPEG). It has composite, s-video and component video output and supports progressive scan, audio output is done through a coaxial and stereo plug. The device is bundled with a remote control.<br />
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* [http://www.modix.co.kr/ Modix] HD-3510<br />
:The HD-3510 is similar to the TViX, as it is sort of a portable multi-talent. It can store and playback audio, video and images, and can be used for other files as well. It can decode MPEG-1/-2/-4 including DivX/Xvid, AC3, DTS, MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis and JPEG. It uses USB2.0 for data input and has various ouput connectors: anlog stereo and 5.1 out, coaxial digital out, composite, s-video and component video out with progressive scan and HDTV upscaling. The HD-3510 is bundled with a carrying bag and a remote control, but without a 3,5" HDD.<br />
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* [http://mpeye.net/ MPeye's] HT-100, HT-150<br />
:The HT-100 uses a 1,5 GB HDD, decodes MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis and supports the usual features. The HT-150 seems to have the same features (maybe a mistake on the website).<br />
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* [http://www.mpio.com/ mpio] HD300, HD200, One<br />
:mpio HD300 is a harddisk player with 20GB and supports WAV/MP3/WMA/Ogg Vorbis. It has FM radio, an alarm clock and supports USB 2.0. The HD200 has 5GB storage capacity, a FM radio which can be recorded and supports the same formats as the HD300. Despite its name the One consist of three components: a player, a HDD and a CD-ROM drive, which can be combined with each other. It supports [[MP3]], [[WMA]], Ogg Vorbis, JPG, BMP and MPEG-4 movies. It has a 1" OLED display and will be available from 05/2005.<br />
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* [http://www.imp3.net/read.php?textid=1529 Muzio's] JM-600<br />
:This player comes with either 2.2 or 4 GB harddrive and supports MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis and ASF. It can record voice and has a FM receiver. What sets this player apart is the LCD -- it can show BMPs, JPGs and text. The device can also act as a USB host to support digital cameras.<br />
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* [http://www.neurosaudio.com/ Neuros'] Neuros II<br />
:This mobile player comes either with various harddrive sizes up to 80 GB or as 256 MB flash player. The new firmware to support Ogg Vorbis has been developed by the Xiph.org Foundation (see the [http://www.neurosaudio.com/press/news_item.aspx?itemID=80 press release]). Get the newest firmware version at Neuros' [http://www.neurosaudio.com/support/support_updates.asp support page]). The Neuros Synchronization Manager for Windows is available from the same link and now fully supports the addition of Vorbis files to the Neuros. *nix users can use either Xiph.org's [http://www.xiph.org/positron/ Positron] or Sean Starkey's Java [http://neurosdbm.sf.net/ Neuros Database Manipulator], both of which provide full Neuros database support and other features.<br />
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* [http://www.nextway.co.kr/ Nextway's] D Cube NHD-150D<br />
:This player uses a small 1,5 GB harddisk and supports MP3, WMA and Ogg Vorbis. It connects trough USB 2.0 and can broadcast music through a FM sender.<br />
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* [http://www.modix-hd.com/ Rapsody's] RSH-100<br />
:It is similar to the Modix HD-3510, but supports USB host functionality additionally.<br />
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* [http://www.digitalnetworksna.com/rioaudio/ Rio's] Karma<br />
:The Rio [http://www.digitalnetworksna.com/shop/item.asp?model=261 Karma] is a portable player with a harddisk of 20 GB. It can decode MP3, Ogg Vorbis and FLAC. USB 2.0 is used to connect to PCs, but a docking station is also included which offers ethernet and RCA line-out support. IGN has written a [http://gear.ign.com/articles/458/458401p1.html review] about the gadget, articles about the Karma can be found at [http://www.riovolution.com Riovolution]. Note that firmware versions prior to 1.25 cause stability problems for some people, visit the [http://www.digitalnetworksna.com/support/rio/product.asp?prodID=113 support page] to get the newest version.<br />
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* [http://www.safa.com.hk/index_110R.html Safa] HMP-110R<br />
:A portable player with 1.5GB memory, FM-receiver, recording function, upgradeable firmware, etc.<br />
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* [http://www.samsung.com Samsung] YH-J70<br />
:A portable Multimedia Jukebox as seen on their [http://www.samsung.com/common/microsite/exhibition/cebit2005/base.asp?pcode=IT01 Cebit 2005 Microsite]. Comes with 20/30GB disk, colour display, video player and USB host function<br />
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* [http://www.sitecom.com/ Sitecom's] MP-330<br />
:This player uses a 4,4 GB harddrive, USB 2.0 and supports MP3, WMA and Ogg Vorbis (mentioned in the manual).<br />
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* [http://www.teac.de/ TEAC] MP-1000, MP-2000<br />
:TEAC MP-1000 is an ultra-compact harddrive player with 1.5GB capacity and only 70g mass. The follow-up model MP-2000 has 5 GB storage and supports the same formats (MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis).<br />
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* [http://www.trekstor.de/ TrekStor's] iBeat 500, iBeat 300<br />
:The iBeat 500 is a portable harddisk player with 20 GB of storage. It supports MP3, WMA and Ogg Vorbis and uses USB 2.0 to connect to PCs. It has a FM radio and an in-built mic. It seems to be available only in Germany (looks like a rebadged Xclef HD-800). The iBeat 300 uses a 1,5 GB HDD and has a color display.<br />
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* [http://www.xclef.com/ Xclef's] HD-800, HD-500<br />
:This is a harddisk player with 20/40/60 GB storage size, and can decode MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis and WAV. It has a FM radio and a mic for recording voice. Though not mentioned on the web site, the HD-500 is also supposed to decode Ogg Vorbis.<br />
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== CD/DVD Audio Players ==<br />
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* [http://www.ifreemax.com/ Freemax's] FW-960<br />
:This CD-R portable supports Ogg Vorbis playback out of the box. It has 48 hours of WMA playback if an external battery pack (2 AA batteries) is used. The FreeMax FW-960 is also known as the mpman MP-CD550.<br />
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* [http://www.exonion.com/ Havin's] (link dead) Exonion HVC-400E, [http://www.princeton.co.jp/ Princeton's] Pocket Beat airCD<br />
:The Havin HVC-400E, also known as the Princeton airCD is probably on sale in Japan since late November, 2003.<br />
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* [http://www.iriver.com/product/info.asp?p_name=iMP-550 iRiver] iMP-250, iMP-350, iMP-400, iMP-550, iMP-700(T)<br />
:Ogg Vorbis is supported only through latest beta firmwares, still some bitrate restriction which may vary depending on the model (min=96kbps, max=160kbps). The iMP-550 supports maximum bitrate up to 256kps (still 96kbps as minimum). Also note the latest iMP-450 does not support OGG for the moment, a future upgrade may correct this... The iMP-700T with firmware 1.40 supports bitrates between 96 and 210 kbps, and .ogg files are generally not as loud as .mp3 files.<br />
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* [http://www.samsungusa.com/ Samsung's] MCD-CM600<br />
:The MCD-CM600 is now available in Korea. It is a CD portable that can play Vorbis, MP3, and WMA.<br />
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* [http://www.roadstar.com/ Roadstar] PCD-5960WOMPT<br />
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== Portable Digital Assisstants (PDAs) ==<br />
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PDAs are also cable of operating as portable music players using available software applications. Please visit [http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/VorbisSoftwarePlayers VorbisSoftwarePlayers] for more information.<br />
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