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Yhang143: /* Plumi (Plone Plugin) - Open Source Web Content Management Software - Shares / Plays OGG / Theora videos */

According to [[Special:Popularpages]], the various pages in the Demonstration section are the most visited parts of the wiki, so I moved that section to the top of the main page. --[[User:Andrel|Andrel]] 09:19, 26 April 2006 (PDT)

== Work in Progress ==

It's not clear on first view (to me at least) that
[[Main Page#Work in Progress]] is a link to
[[Work In Progress]] (as none of the other section headings
are). Possibly it should be a normal heading with the link
in a short text below (à la [[Main Page#Other software]]).

[[User:Imalone|Imalone]] 05:22, 1 February 2006 (PST)

You are free to fix that. It's a wiki after all -- [[User:Jmspeex|Jmspeex]] 19:22, 1 February 2006 (PST)

Done (just didn't want to trample all over the front page) -- [[User:Imalone|Imalone]] 04:33, 2 February 2006 (PST)

== Lock This Page ==

On all/most other wikis the Main Page is locked so only admins can edit it. Due to the amount of vandalism, I think the [[Main Page]] should be locked and all changes discussed here. --[[User:SonicChao|SonicChao]] 05:11, 27 August 2006 (PDT)

:Done !

== Paranoia / cdparanoia ==

Why is there no listing under software of paranoia or cdparanoia? Also, there is no listing on the main xiph.org page. Is that software acknowlegded? --[[User:WhiteDragon|WhiteDragon]] 19:52, 9 September 2006 (PDT)

== Suggestion :-O ==
First I want to congratulate you on the wonderful work being done. Thank you very much :-)
Please allow anonymous edits (like wikipedia does) b'caus i'm too lazy to login :-)

:I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the ton of hidden links I just culled has nothing to do with you... I can't speak for the people running Xiph but requiring a login reduces some of the flood of spam that shows up here, and Wikipedia has many more resources available to deal with it than this wiki does. [[User:Imalone|Imalone]] 06:06, 24 November 2006 (PST)

== Proposal for a developer section ==

As more developers start to "get it" about how ultra cool Ogg / Vorbis / Theora / etc is, wouldn't it be great to have a wiki section devoted to helping these budding programmers along? eg: i've written some nice code i'd be happy to share. Could contain a programming FAQ, how-to's, and real code. Thoughts? [[User:Davec|Davec]] 13:44, 6 December 2006 (PST)

== Why CamelCase? ==

MediaWiki supports free links, why are most page titles in the CamelCase format? - [[User:Sikon|Sikon]] 05:34, 27 February 2007 (PST)
:CamelCase? I don't see what you mean. If you think something's wrong, you may go ahead and change it. That's what wikis are for.--[[User:Saoshyant|Saoshyant]] 05:37, 27 February 2007 (PST)
:[[WhatHappened|Historical reasons]]. The original wiki used software that only supported [http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?CamelCase CamelCase]. For new pages it is fine to use free links. I suggest not renaming pages, as many of them have good search ranking. [[User:Andrel|Andrel]] 07:03, 27 February 2007 (PST)
I see now. And thanks for the WhatHappened link, Andrel. I managed to recover two pages so far from web archive. I wonder if I'll savage it further.--[[User:Saoshyant|Saoshyant]] 08:28, 27 February 2007 (PST)

== ICECast2 vs vBulletin ==

Hi there,
Fisrt let me thank you all the great work and the self performance over the ICECast streaming server

I also Wonder if anyone had included ICECast directly into a vBulletin board having it worked from there on ..meaning enbable to use same username,permission and prefference from the database itself running on MySQL 5 having as if setting permission on for a usergroupe from there to enable them streaming out on your ICECast server and others can apply and yet just participate into the main forum itself

I do have both running-up over my dedicated server now meanwhile if any would want to help me out creating like this hack or template am willing to give them all access for working over it
can YOU imagine how friendly and powerful that ICECast would mean then

hey give me a shout if willing to try it

admin@gysmo.net

== News ==

Hi,

I would really strongly suggest adding this to your news items... Someone has made a graphical interface for ffmpeg2theora at http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Video/Other-VIDEO-Tools/GFrontEnd-for-ffmpeg2theora.shtml

I don't know the technical difficulties of building such a tool, but regardless, the ability for a common Windows user like myself to be able to just easily convert a proprietary file format to Ogg-Theora is really cool... I tested it out on the sample WMV file that came with this laptop, and the converted file worked great in Cortado... Of course, news about programs that allow one to record directly to Ogg-Theora would be even better, but this is still very important, imo... [[User:Brettz9|Brettz9]] 20:56, 4 July 2007 (PDT)

== .NET :-( ==

> I would really strongly suggest adding this to your news items

Check it out: > Requirements: .NET Framework 2.0

Also, with 1.5 MiB size it's bigger than FFMPEG2THEORA itself (1.3 MiB after recompressing with UPX 3.0 --ultra-brute) - not that VERY good IMHO.

: Sorry, do you mean MB as in Megabytes? That's a drop in the bucket of most hard drives nowadays, no? And .NET was already on my system for something I had downloaded earlier (not sure what, but maybe others may have it already too). My interest in seeing it announced is not how well it is implemented--if there are better alternatives let them be known--but that such a tool exists and it works (at least if you get the requirements).

== MiB ||| .NET ==

> Sorry, do you mean MB as in Megabytes?

NO. [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix]]

> And .NET was already on my system for something I had downloaded earlier (not sure what, but maybe others may have it already too)

I don't have .NET and don't like it :-( Finally, the important thing is the FFMPEG2THEOA core and it works perfectly for me without .NET ;-)

== Link to Games in Demonstrations Section? ==

Shouldn't there be a link to [[Games_that_use_Theora]] in the section with other demonstrations? Maybe there's not enough games listed on the page to warrant it?
--[[User:Sim9|Sim9]] 11:47, 27 October 2007 (PDT)

:Yes. There's only two games listed right now. I'm pretty sure there's more out there. Sim9, can you help us listing more games?--[[User:Saoshyant|Ivo]] 11:56, 28 October 2007 (PDT)

::I'm sure you're right, there ''has'' to be more than two. Theora (and Vorbis) is now by default included in the Torque game engine, so there must be a lot of games using it by now. I just polled the Torque community to see if they know of any to help us fill up the list with some successful integrations! --[[User:Sim9|Sim9]] 19:02, 29 October 2007 (PDT)

== Add xvid it's opensource ==

Please add xvid to usable video format in ogv and others.
It's an open source, mature codec and doesn't have encoder problems theora currently has.
Embedding it makes possible to show off ogv files with a codec that shows the tru power of ogv.

Please make it possible to put this in, so .ogv can be used immediately with xvid and vorbis/speex/flac to create a mature and temporary solution until theora 1.0 hits the digital streets.
Then users can just batch convert it with their applications whenever they feel/want to do it.
(When they think theora is ready.)
Could someone please look into this and tell me if this is possible and/or will be integrated?
--[[User:Vmol|Vmol]] 1 February 2008

:Vmol, you should read about the issues a bit before filling up the whole wiki with so many questions. Most of your questions, concerns and statements have already been thought about. In this case here, Xvid cannot be considered because it is a patented format. That means it's not a free format like Theora and Xiph cannot use it. Theora is currently now undergoing the last stages of beta to version 1.0 and quality is already at pair with Xvid. Also, users can't simply transcode from one video format to another; you lose quality everytime you do it, because most video formats are lossy.--[[User:Saoshyant|Ivo]] 12:37, 2 February 2008 (PST)

== Random access Ogg Vorbis decoder written in Java. ==

And I am very glad that now you have an encoder written in Java. Can vorbis-java-1.0.0 also do the decoding?
Is there an example of how to use vorbis-java decoder?
If yes, can it seek, i.e. decode an Ogg Vorbis bitstream from a random position?
--[[User:Sergey|Sergey]] 12:53, 9 February 2008 (PST)

== For lossless video compression, make it possible to have Lagarith codec as video ==

Lagarith is a lossless video codec. Please support it, with supporting I mean that it can be used in the ogg and annodex containers as a native video format.
--[[User:Vmol|Vmol]] 4 May 2008

:There is also HuffYUV besides Lagarith. Also the new Dirac codec supports lossless compression, reportedly better than anything else. Agree, a lossless codec should be added. Just carefully select one of them ;-) [[User:DOS386|DOS386]] 01:31, 4 May 2008 (PDT)

:: Lossless compression would still be a good thing to have for Theora.
:: Even if there are other formats available that can do lossless.
:: Not convinced about using another codec, a lossless mode for Theora is useful.
:: Link to Theora todo page where lossless mode is requested:
:: [http://wiki.xiph.org/Talk:TheoraTodo]
:: --[[User:Vmol|Vmol]] 25 Jul 2009

== Add link to "Reporting Abuse" page on the front page? ==

There's been a bunch of spam recently, but I couldn't find any way to report abuse. I've added a skeleton page at [[Reporting abuse]], could we add a link to the front page?

== Abuse ==

It's necessary to something about the excesive abuse of this Wiki, link approval is the minimal step for now. Also some additional barriers for registration should be considered. Also a stronger captcha, "3+4" isn't that efficient. [[User:DOS386|DOS386]] 12:44, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

== Editing Theora? ==

Is Theora considered an 'editible' format? Theora seems to be lossy - Is there a lossless, open format for video for use as a 'source' file type? There are a couple editors listed, but they seem pretty 'fringe' - anything more mainstream? If one wanted to create a 'video warehouse' that was 'pure' with respect to open formats, which file type/codec type would i use? 2009-12-25 15:55 [[User:BenTes]]

:: > Theora seems to be lossy
:: It '''is''' lossy
:: > Is there a lossless, open format for video for use as a 'source' file type
:: See above, HuffYUV, Lagarith, and Dirac
:: > one wanted to create a 'video warehouse' that was 'pure' with
:: > respect to open formats,
:: :-)
:: > which file type/codec type would i use?
:: For final video, Theora. For intermediate files:
:: * HuffYUV or Lagarith (can exist only inside AVI ??? but this could be changed)
:: * YUV4MPEG (is 'pure' but not compressed)
:: * Dirac in lossles mode (very slow)
:: 2009-12-26 15:36 [[User:DOS386]]

== Plumi (Plone Plugin) - Open Source Web Content Management Software - Shares / Plays OGG / Theora videos ==

Plone is an open source content management website. Plumi is a Plone plugin that supports sharing and playing OGG videos (OGV) using the open source Cortado applet.

"Plumi is a package of Plone products that enable you to create your own video sharing site. By adding it to an existing Plone instance you can quickly have a wide array of functionality to facilitate video distribution and community creation."

[http://plone.org/products/plumi/]

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Talk:PortablePlayers

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Yhang143: /* Move Flash/HD-sections to dedicated pages */

==TrekStor==
There are many more portable players by TrekStor than the i.beat 500 supporting ogg vorbis.

Please add products to the main page.

== LG players ==
I think LG's player MF-FM30 looks nice. BUT, does it have support for UMS (the products homepage doesn't say so so I guess not) or does there software work in Linux? Somebody who knows?
Hannulan - 23:48, 1 oktober 2006

== List of top five players ==
It would be a good idea to have a few (five?) players at the top with images that are considered to be the best *recent* devices. I don't think any of the MP3 using masses will use this page to choose their next music player unless it lists recent devices, and presents a choice of five or six at the top, with images, and links to sites that they can buy them from. Also, could someone put up a notice to remind people it's not OGG, or Ogg! It's Ogg Vorbis, or if you must, Vorbis. - thehumanerror 25th December 2006

I totally agree with the above. This page was next to useless for me when I was shopping for a Vorbis player since I was overwhelmed with choices. Add to that the fact that many products have been discontinued or cannot be bought new and there's a recipe for disaster. - erpo41 October 17th, 2007

I also agree with the above; the primary reason I am not using Ogg Vorbis (I keep a parallel collection of mp3 and flac files) is I cannot easily find a portable player. I don't know that reorganizing this wiki page will help. I did comb through this page; basically all of the listed hard disk players are from one off manufacturers or not being manufactured any more. There are plenty of nice flash storage based devices and cell phones (from Samsung and others), but that is not what I am looking for. Also, I'm not interested in hacking my iPod. (I do embedded linux development enough at work; I'll pay someone else to get my media player working). Until this is addressed, Ogg Vorbis is going to remain out of use; which is a shame because for every other reason it is the best (in my opinion). --Kevin Holzer, January 10, 2009

:Yes. This is a good idea. Create a section at the top. Polish it well. And perhaps add a free-licensed photo. Anyone up for it?--[[User:Saoshyant|Ivo]] 06:41, 17 October 2007 (PDT)

I would rather see just a simple feature matrix (sorted so that unavailable devices are listed at the bottom, or just not listed at all). See talk below. Maybe preferred choises could be raised to the top thought! I agree that current list is quite unusable.

== Recording in Vorbis ==

I would like to know which Players can '''record''' in Vorbis?! -- [[User:217.186.150.213|217.186.150.213]] 17:03, 26 Dec 2004 (PST)

:Ditto. Absolutely vital information. Do any of the players listed also record in Vorbis? If anyone has experience with A player, please state specifically whether it does or does not record in Vorbis.[[User:Nickhill|Nickhill]] 15:04, 4 June 2006 (PDT)

::Never heard of one that does, and there isn't a fixed point reference encoder, which makes it unlikely.

== Pretec Allegro may need firmware update ==

I recently purchased a Pretec Allegro, but was unable to play Oggs for three months, until the firmware update was made available on 14 or 15 March 2005. Now it works well! (So far, listening to -q3 Oggs). I'd hope that units purchased after this date already has the firmware update, but you never know. Installing the update is as simple as placing the .rom on the USB-storage-device media (eg flash disk), starting up the unit, and pressing the play button. -- Hugo van der Merwe
: How much battery runtime do you get playing Oggs compared with playing mp3? [[User:Phr|Phr]] 02:05, 27 Aug 2005 (PDT)

== Any player with Removable Memory Cards ==

The NexBlack (see [[PortablePlayers]] ) has removable compact flash and batteries.

Every single Vorbis-capable portable player out there seems to come with built-in flash memory. Which is stupid, because I don't want to fire up my computer and plug in the player every time I get tired of the tracks on my player. Plus flash memory has a limited lifetime (write cycles) and so does your player with built-in memory. The same applies for built-in rechargable batteries.

Now when would you ever need to buy your second device without any moving parts if you could just change flash memory and batteries? Ok, that's the industrie's point of view but not mine. I want to go on vacation with music and batteries for one week of non-stop music - without a power source or computer nearby.

So, any hint to where I might find a portable audio player that can play back ogg vorbis files and uses SD flash cards (and preferably AAA-batteries) would be greatly appreciated.
* Me too! If the [http://enox.co.kr/2004/eng/product/product_830_01.asp Enox EMX-830] took SD cards it'd be perfect. --[[User:Rgm|rgm]] 14:41, 7 Nov 2005 (PST)

* SanDisk Sansa e250/e260/e270/e280 has a microSD-card slot. With ROCKbox it plays Ogg/Vorbis and more.[[User:Nostromo|Nostromo]] 15:26, 29 October 2007 (PDT)

----

The Pretec Allegro is not the slickest player out there, it's LCD backlight seems to give off a high-pitched whine, which not everyone can hear (it kind-of screams in my ears though, so I put the backlight timer on 1 second so it doesn't scream too long). It is, however, the only one I now know of that can play Oggs, and uses removable media. If you want a nicely portable device, you have to use Pretec's "iDisk tiny" usb flash disk, the only thing that will fit inside. You can also, however, connect some USB SD-card reader with it's cable, then listen to Oggs off of SD. A little unwieldy, but, it works, and is the only thing *I* know of. (I stopped following developments in December though, when I bought it...)

== Samsung / Yepp ==

Moved to [[Talk:PortablePlayersSamsungYepp]]

== UniBrain iZak ==

Apologies if this is the wrong place for this; I'm new to wikis.

The UniBrain iZak was added, then removed recently, with the comment that it doesn't claim to play Ogg Vorbis.

The FAQ is available here: [http://www.unibrain.com/support/FAQ_iZak.htm iZak FAQ] and Question/Answer 24 says:

'22. Can iZak™ support OGG audio files?

Yes, iZak™ fully supports OGG playback using the latest firmware.'

:I was the one that removed it. In their specs linked from the main page, I saw that they listed only MP3 and WMA support for music formats. Obviously they need to update their promotional material! I went ahead and added the iZak back in, making a point to mention that the most current version of the firmware now supports Ogg Vorbis and linking to their FAQ as evidence. [[User:Saxifrage|Saxifrage]] 02:36, 5 May 2005 (PDT)

:Splendid. I didn't want to just stick it back after it had been taken out.--[[User:Ipl|Ipl]] 05:14, 5 May 2005 (PDT)

== Entempo Spirit ==

This inexpensive player from Entempo had listed Vorbis as a "Supported Audio Format", but the device will not index the Vorbis files into it's menus -- let alone play the files. Tested with both the stock and most recent firmware, May 29, 2005. Vendor had been contacted and removed Vorbis support claims from their website, but has not provided any resolution to customers which purchased the product expecting this support. The company's webpage has disappeared as of Feb 2006.

== Lexar LDP-800 dropped ==
It seems that Lexar have abondoned the LDP-800. The following was posted by a user on [http://www.dapreview.net/comment.php?comment.news.1055 dapreview.net]
" Unfortunately, lexar will not offer the LDP-800, but will focus instead
on its existing LDP Players that already offer appealing features and
benefits to meet a variety of consumer needs."
Shame.--[[User:Ipl|Ipl]] 06:15, 22 Jul 2005 (PDT)

There's more info on that dapreview thread that indicates some confusion within Lexar. Currently, it looks like the release is going to happen in early September.

Update 2005-11-11: after inquiries to Lexar's "new products" personnel, I received a telephone message that the LDP-800 will definitely "is not going to see the light of day." Ask me if you want details. I agree that it's a shame since this looked to be an outstanding product. --[[User:dfavro|dfavro]]

== Hong Kong Dream-tech Electronic DT-202, works? please confirm ==
http://hkdream-tech.com
An ebay seller says that it can reproduce Vorbis. This is unconfirmed. In the manufacturer web it says: MP3, WMA, WAV, DMV and etc.

Some webpage also says that it works on Windows, Mac and Linux. Also unconfirmed.
Further investigation required.

== Trekstor i.Beat Cube ==
This player seems to be very similar to the Samsung Yepp YP-T6, possibly with the [[#Yepp_MT-6X|same problems]] regarding Vorbis playback. Trekstor has moved [http://www.trekstor.de/en/produkte/mp3-player/ibeat-cube.html info about this player] from "MP3-Player" to the "Archive" section which propably means that it is not produced anymore.

== The Muzio jm300 / jm-300 does NOT play Vorbis ==

NB this is the jm-300 (not 100 or 200)

I bought this a month ago. I've been unable to play Vorbis files on
it. It simply shows these as 'etc' files and skips over them.

Pitty really, this was the main reason I chose this player.

I've seen lots of discussion about the muzio playing oggs, is there
anybody there who owns a jm300 and is actually playing oggs ? I can't
help think I've juts missed something basic.

== Layout of the PortablePlayers list and Feature matrix ==
It's gone! I've moved this discussion to [[Talk:PortablePlayersv2]]. [[User:Imalone|Imalone]] 10:55, 18 November 2006 (PST)

:Is there something very wrong with those proposals? I mean, is there any reason why (even a simple) feature matrix just could not be applied right now? It would probably solve 'list of top 5 players' problem above too. Just list something basic from the main features, name, size, weight, price, battery (internal, aa, aaa, ..), capasity, flash card type (sd, microsd, ..) , availability (current or discontinued), supported formats, charging (usb or propietary or none). Link to the longer comments. No complicated sorting or anything too fancy. No icons. Name can be a abbreviation to save space, use it as a link to current comments.

== NEXBlack out ==

I got my NEXBlack player today from Frontier Labs. It is a nice gadget with sleek design. They have corrected the occasional snap-sounds that came between tracks and it is overall more usable now. Vorbis-files also play fine, but the current firmware doesn't have Vorbis-tag reader, which is somewhat major drawback. The music selection works through mp3-tags and you can select by album, artist, genre and playlist, but since Vorbis tags won't work you have to select "unordered" to play them. Vorbis-files are all listed in one big list. I hope they either implement a Vorbis-tag reader or revert to old Nex IIe system where you could select by folder in the flash disc. But for the cheap price ($89), it is a good player... waiting for a new firmware..

== Sumvision M18/S1 ==

I've just got the 2GB Sumvision and it plays the OGG files I've tested so far. Should I add it to the list? [[User:Steevc|Steevc]] 04:05, 19 April 2007 (PDT)

== Humble A2 Review ==

Just a blog link [http://www.personal.psu.edu/gsc127/blogs/2007/10/happiness-with-cowon-a2.html to my review of the the Cowon A2]. Thanks, [[User:GChriss|GChriss]] 13:23, 6 November 2007 (PST)

== iRiver e100 ==

[http://reviews.cnet.com/4566-6490_7-0.html?filter=1000036_5260177_ CNet] and [http://www.amazon.com/iRiver-E100-Multimedia-Player-White/dp/B00171UYYS/ref=pd_bbs_sr_5?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1208253617&sr=8-5 Amazon] are saying the iRiver e100 supports Vorbis. I haven't tested it myself. [[User:Mattflaschen|Mattflaschen]] 03:09, 15 April 2008 (PDT)

== Bought an vorbis-enabled player recently? Tell us where! ==

I have started a page that should allow people easier purchasing of vorbis-enabled players: [[PortablePlayers_per_Place]]

Everyone, who bought an vorbis-enabled player recently should update the page with place and model.

== Move Flash/HD-sections to dedicated pages ==

Hi,

IMHO the PortablePlayers page is too long. I want to split it into several pages for each main section. Like [[PortablePlayers/Flash]], [[PortablePlayers/Harddisk]] etc.. Sure, one have to fix some links then, but I am convinced this step would increase the usability a lot.
What do you think about that? --[[User:Gsauthof|Gsauthof]] 01:20, 31 March 2009 (PDT)

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