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Talk:Spread Open Media Contributions

2007-08-11T08:03:18Z

Mms: Why not CC-by 3.0 or any later?

==Licence==

Why don't you chose to license under CC-by 3.0 ''or any later version published by Creative Commons''? With this declaration later projects (which may use CC-by 4.0) could use your content with the same licence as the rest of their work. --[[User:Mms|Mms]] 01:03, 11 August 2007 (PDT)

Talk:Vorbis Software Players

2007-08-10T17:57:32Z

Mms: /* free or proprietary? */ already sorted

== free or proprietary? ==

There should be an additional category which players are free software or proprietary (which list would be shorter). --[[User:Mms|Mms]] 13:56, 6 August 2007 (PDT)

:May not be a bad idea. Are you willing to do this?--[[User:Saoshyant|Ivo]] 10:53, 9 August 2007 (PDT)

::I did it with sub-categories for each operating system. --[[User:Mms|Mms]] 10:57, 10 August 2007 (PDT)

Vorbis Software Players

2007-08-09T17:07:03Z

Mms: futher sorting into sub-categories. Please correct me if I made mistakes.

Here is a list of media players for various operating systems that comes with “out-of-the-box” support for Ogg [[Vorbis]].

== windows ==

=== free software ===

* [http://musik.berlios.de/ wxmusik]: player with support for Ogg Vorbis, as well as MP3, WAV, AIFF and WMA. makes use of an sql based media libary for quick searching
* [http://coolplayer.sourceforge.net/ coolplayer]: very small player
* [http://mediaportal.sourceforge.net/ mediaportal]: home theater software
* [http://mac.sourceforge.net/ mpeg audio collection]: organizer for music collection
* [http://www.mediamonkey.com/ mediamonkey]: easy-to-use player/tagger/media library with built-in ripper & burner which can even encode & transcode to Ogg Vorbis

=== proprietary software ===

* [http://www.winamp.com/ winamp]: very popular player supporting many formats
* [http://www.foobar2000.org/ foobar2000]: freeware player with complex options and support for Ogg Vorbis, MP3, WAV and more
* [http://www.quinnware.com/ quintessential player]: freeware player with support for Ogg Vorbis, MP3, WAV and audio cds which also includes cd ripping
* [http://www.dbpoweramp.com/ dbpoweramp audio player]: freeware player with Ogg Vorbis and FLAC support
* [http://www.dbpoweramp.com/ dbpoweramp music converter]: freeware audio conversion software with Ogg Vorbis and FLAC support and also includes cd ripping
* [http://www.un4seen.com/xmplay.html xmplay]
* [http://www.ashampoo.com/ ashampoo media player]: audio and video player
* [http://www.deliplayer.com/ deliplayer]
* [http://www.musicex.com/mediajukebox/ mediajukebox]: audio management
* [http://www.muzikbrowzer.com/ muzikbrowser]: player designed for display on a tv screen
* [http://music.predixis.com/ musicmagic mixer]: player with playlist management
* [http://www.zinf.org/ zinf]: zinf is not freeamp, freeware player
* [http://www.vuplayer.com/vuplayer.php vuplayer]: multi-format freeware audio player with very easy interface
* [http://www.illiminable.com/Ogg/ directshow filter]: adds support for Ogg Vorbis, Ogg Speex, Ogg Theora, Ogg FLAC, and native FLAC to any directshow-compliant player such as windows media player and bsplayer
* [http://www.musikcube.com/ musikcube]: freeware player
* [http://ksp.kalliope-soft.eu/ ksp sound player]: freeware player with lyrics, media library, suggestion searching and automatic playlist generation
* [http://www.visonair.tv/player.php visonair.tv player]: freeware player ─ plays Ogg Vorbis and Theora streams
* [http://www.jetaudio.com jetaudio basic]: freeware player with Ogg Vorbis and FLAC support
* [http://www.huelix.com/audiorecorder/ huelix audio recorder]: audio recording software with support for Ogg Vorbis, WMA, MP3, and WAV formats
* [http://www.huelix.com/audio-converter/ huelix audio converter]: audio conversion software to convert among Ogg Vorbis, WMA, MP3, and WAV formats

== Multi-platform ==

=== free software ===

* [http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ VLC Media Player]: Open Source media player and streaming server that support virtually every video and audio format
* [http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ Mplayer]: Open Source video player that supports also many audio formats
* [http://www.zinf.org/ Zinf]: Open Source player with support for Ogg Vorbis, as well as MP3, WAV and Audio CDs
* [http://snackamp.sourceforge.net/ SnackAmp]: Tcl/Tk player
* [https://player.helixcommunity.org/ HelixPlayer]: Open source player from RealNetworks

=== proprietary software ===

* [http://www.jcraft.com/jorbis/ JOrbisPlayer]: Java Player that uses the [[JOrbis]] Java decoder
* [http://www.javazoom.net/jlgui/jlgui.html jlGui]: Winamp clone for Java
* [http://www.real.com/ RealPlayer]: proprietary player from RealNetworks (version 10 does not play Ogg)
* [http://www.windowsmedia.com/ Microsoft Windows Media Player]: Freeware player from Microsoft (version 10 needs DirectShow filter; see Windows players, above). Runs on both Windows and Macintosh platforms.

== MS DOS ==

=== free software ===

* [http://mpxplay.cjb.net/ mpxplay]: supports many formats

== GNU/Linux & *BSD ==

=== free software ===

* [http://www.xmms.org/ XMMS]
* [http://www.rhythmbox.org/ Rhythmbox]
* [http://developer.kde.org/~wheeler/juk.html JuK]: Open Source player for KDE with support for Ogg Vorbis, FLAC and MP3.
* [http://amarok.kde.org/ amaroK]: Open Source player for KDE with support for Ogg Vorbis among other formats, streaming, Last.FM, lyrics and covert art download and many many more.
* [http://muine.gooeylinux.org/ Muine]: Open Source player for GNOME with support for Ogg Vorbis, FLAC and MP3.
* [http://musik.berlios.de/ wxMusik]: Open Source player with support for Ogg Vorbis, as well as MP3, WAV and AIFF. Makes use of an SQL based media libary for quick searching.
* [http://musicpd.org/ MPD]: Music Player Daemon is a sound server that supports different clients. Supports many formats, among them Ogg Vorbis and FLAC
* [http://www.alsaplayer.org/ AlsaPlayer]: ALSA audio player ─ “First player worldwide that did perfect reverse Ogg playback!”
* [http://sonic-rainbow.sourceforge.net/ Sonic-Rainbow]
* [http://mask.tf.hut.fi/~flu/cplay/ cplay]: curses frontend for Ogg123, mpg123 etc
* [http://xinehq.de/ Xine]: video player with long list of supported formats
* [http://noatun.kde.org/ Noatun]: KDE audio player
* [http://www.cajun.nu/ CAJUN]: Car audio system
* [http://www.giantdisc.org/ GiantDisc]: Jukebox system that can be controlled by a Palm
* [http://rikkus.info/squelch.html s.q.u.e.l.c.h.]: Vorbis only player
* [http://www.mythtv.org/ MythTV]: PVR project
* [http://bmpx.beep-media-player.org/site/BMPx_Homepage Beep Media Player (a.k.a. BMPx)]: XMMS fork that uses GTK+ 2.x and is compatible with both XMMS and Winamp skins
* [http://gqmpeg.sourceforge.net/ GQmpeg]: GTK frontend for mpg123/Ogg123 etc
* [http://bossogg.wishy.org/ BossOgg]: Jukebox system
* [http://gmerlin.sourceforge.net/ Gmerlin]
* [http://www.luga.de/pytone/ PyTone]: Python-based jukebox player
* [http://freakforever.net/lamip/ LAMIP]: Modular audio player
* [http://www.sacredchao.net/quodlibet Quodlibet]: Based on GStreamer 0.10 and PyGTK. Keep your music organised.

== Mac OS X ==

=== free software ===

* [http://cogosx.sourceforge.net/ Cog] – requires Mac OS X 10.3 (Panther) and greater

=== proprietary software ===

* Quicktime components for [http://qtcomponents.sourceforge.net/ Quicktime 6] and [http://www.xiph.org/quicktime/ Quicktime 7] – enables rudimentary support for iTunes 4.7 and greater
* [http://www.whamb.com/ Whamb] – supports Ogg Vorbis and Ogg Vorbis streams, requires Mac OS X 10.2 (Jaguar) and greater
* [http://www.kjams.com/ kJams] – Karaoke program which supports encoding (or re-encoding) of any audio type to Ogg Vorbis, enables editing of comments with the [[VorbisCommentEdit|VCEdit Framework]], requires 10.3 and the [http://www.xiph.org/quicktime/ XiphQT] package. [http://www.kjams.com/wiki/Vorbis More Info].

== Other ==

=== free software ===

* [http://www.xbox.com/ Xbox]: the [http://www.xboxmediacenter.de/ Xbox Media Center] is an open source project that transforms a modded Xbox with Linux into a media center and streaming client.

=== proprietary software ===

* [http://english.gamepark.com/ GamePark32]: the GP32, an arm9tdmi portable console with much hackability (gcc3 toolchain, expandable memory), has several [http://www.gp32x.com/ Vorbis players] available.
* [http://www.sharp-usa.com/products/TypeLanding/0,1056,112,00.html Sharp’s Zaurus]: the Zaurus, a very flexible PDA which runs Linux, can play Vorbis files with a variety of software, including a [http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=617 plugin] for the default media player, [http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=423 xmms], [http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=201 Ogg123], [http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=803 mplayer], or [http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcplayer/ theKompany.com’s tkcPlayer].
* [http://www.playstation.com/ Sony Playstation]
** the [http://www.trend-express.com/en/medio.html Media Digital Media Player] is a streaming client solution for the Playstation 2.
** the [http://www.psp-hacks.com/2006/03/16/psplayermt-play-nearly-any-video-type-on-your-psp/ PSPlayerMT] is an “unsupported” Korean media player for the PSP. The specs claim it will play Ogg Theora and Ogg Vorbis.
*[http://www.nintendo.com/channel/ds Nintendo DS]: [http://mdxonline.dyndns.org/archives/2006/09/moonshell_ver141_top.shtml Moonshell] is a homebrew media player for the Nintendo DS. It can play Ogg Vorbis. It has two Vorbis decoders (both using Tremor), a “high accuracy” one limited to 128kbps average, and a “normal accuracy” one that can use higher bitrates, the default being the normal one.

== PalmOS ==

=== free software ===

* [http://poggpl.sourceforge.net/ POGGPl]: still in alpha-stage
* [http://sourceforge.net/projects/magiclantern/ The Magic Lantern]: still in alpha-stage
* [http://tcpmp.corecodec.org The Core Pocket Media Player]: (formerly BetaPlayer) media player that uses [[Tremor]]

=== proprietary software ===

* [http://www.pocket-tunes.com/ Pocket Tunes]: costs 14.95 US$
* [http://www.aerodromesoftware.com/ AeroPlayer]: gratis for Ogg. MP3 support costs 20 US$

== PocketPC ==

=== free software ===

* [http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA032810/ GSPlayer]
* [http://www.cyanwerks.com/pocketOgg/ PocketOgg]: player that uses [[Tremor]]
* [http://tcpmp.corecodec.org The Core Pocket Media Player]: (formerly BetaPlayer) media player that uses [[Tremor]]

=== proprietary software ===

* [http://www.conduits.com/ce/player/download.asp Conduits Pocket Player]
* [http://www.pocketmind.com/pmfp.htm PocketMusic]

== Symbian ==

=== free software ===

* [http://symbianoggplay.sourceforge.net/ OggPlay]

=== proprietary software ===

* [http://developer.symbian.com/main/tools/appcode/cpp/ogg_vorbis.jsp Ogg Vorbis Controller]: plugin for Symbian's Multimedia Framework that allows decoding and playing back of Ogg Vorbis compressed audio files

----

''For hardware “MP3-players” that support Ogg Vorbis see [[VorbisHardware]]''

Vorbis Software Players

2007-08-09T16:09:12Z

Mms: /* windows */ removing cleanse uninstaller. This is not a player. Removing "open source" and "free".

Here is a list of media players for various OSes that comes with "out-of-the-box" support for Ogg [[Vorbis]].

== windows ==

=== free software ===

* [http://musik.berlios.de/ wxmusik]: player with support for Ogg Vorbis, as well as MP3, wav, aiff and WMA. makes use of an sql based media libary for quick searching
* [http://coolplayer.sourceforge.net/ coolplayer]: very small player
* [http://mediaportal.sourceforge.net/ mediaportal]: home theater software
* [http://mac.sourceforge.net/ mpeg audio collection]: organizer for music collection
* [http://www.mediamonkey.com/ mediamonkey]: easy-to-use player/tagger/media library with built-in ripper & burner. Can even encode & transcode to Ogg Vorbis

=== proprietary software ===

* [http://www.winamp.com/ winamp]: very popular player supporting many formats.
* [http://www.foobar2000.org/ foobar2000]: freeware player with complex options and support for Ogg Vorbis, MP3, wav and more
* [http://www.quinnware.com/ quintessential player]: freeware player with support for Ogg Vorbis, MP3, wav and audio cds. also includes cd ripping
* [http://www.dbpoweramp.com/ dbpoweramp audio player]: freeware player with Ogg Vorbis and FLAC support
* [http://www.dbpoweramp.com/ dbpoweramp music converter]: freeware audio conversion software with Ogg Vorbis and FLAC support. also includes cd ripping
* [http://www.un4seen.com/xmplay.html xmplay]
* [http://www.ashampoo.com/ ashampoo media player+]: audio and video player
* [http://www.deliplayer.com/ deliplayer]:
* [http://www.musicex.com/mediajukebox/ mediajukebox]: audio management
* [http://www.muzikbrowzer.com/ muzikbrowser]: player designed for display on a tv screen
* [http://music.predixis.com/ musicmagic mixer]: player with playlist management
* [http://www.zinf.org/ zinf]: zinf is not freeamp, freeware player
* [http://www.vuplayer.com/vuplayer.php vuplayer]: multi-format freeware audio player with very easy interface.
* [http://www.illiminable.com/ogg/ directshow filter]: adds support for Ogg Vorbis, ogg speex, ogg Theora, ogg FLAC, and native FLAC to any directshow-compliant player such as windows media player and bsplayer
* [http://www.musikcube.com/ musikcube]: freeware player
* [http://ksp.kalliope-soft.eu/ ksp sound player]: freeware player with lyrics, media library, suggestion searching and automatic playlist generation
* [http://www.visonair.tv/player.php visonair.tv player]: freeware player - plays Ogg Vorbis and Theora streams
* [http://www.jetaudio.com jetaudio basic]: freeware player with Ogg Vorbis and FLAC support.
* [http://www.huelix.com/audiorecorder/ huelix audio recorder]: audio recording software with support for Ogg Vorbis, WMA, MP3, and wav formats.
* [http://www.huelix.com/audio-converter/ huelix audio converter]: audio conversion software to convert among Ogg Vorbis, WMA, MP3, and wav formats.

== Multi-platform ==

* [http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ VLC Media Player]: Open Source media player and streaming server that support virtually every video and audio format
* [http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ Mplayer]: Open Source video player that supports also many audio formats
* [http://www.jcraft.com/jorbis/ JOrbisPlayer]: Java Player that uses the [[JOrbis]] Java decoder
* [http://www.javazoom.net/jlgui/jlgui.html jlGui]: Winamp clone for Java
* [http://www.zinf.org/ Zinf]: Open Source player with support for Ogg Vorbis, as well as MP3, WAV and Audio CDs.
* [http://snackamp.sourceforge.net/ SnackAmp]: Tcl/Tk player
* [https://player.helixcommunity.org/ HelixPlayer]: Open source player from RealNetworks
* [http://www.real.com/ RealPlayer]: Commercial player from RealNetworks (version 10 does not play ogg)
* [http://www.windowsmedia.com/ Microsoft Windows Media Player]: Freeware player from Microsoft (version 10 needs DirectShow filter; see Windows players, above). Runs on both Windows and Macintosh platforms.

== DOS ==

* [http://mpxplay.cjb.net/ mpxplay]: supports many formats

== Linux/BSD ==

* [http://www.xmms.org/ XMMS]
* [http://www.rhythmbox.org/ Rhythmbox]
* [http://developer.kde.org/~wheeler/juk.html JuK]: Open Source player for KDE with support for Ogg Vorbis, FLAC and MP3.
* [http://amarok.kde.org/ amaroK]: Open Source player for KDE with support for Ogg Vorbis among other formats, streaming, Last.FM, lyrics and covert art download and many many more.
* [http://muine.gooeylinux.org/ Muine]: Open Source player for GNOME with support for Ogg Vorbis, FLAC and MP3.
* [http://musik.berlios.de/ wxMusik]: Open Source player with support for Ogg Vorbis, as well as MP3, WAV and AIFF. Makes use of an SQL based media libary for quick searching.
* [http://musicpd.org/ MPD]: Music Player Daemon is a sound server that supports different clients. Supports many formats, among them Ogg Vorbis and FLAC
* [http://www.alsaplayer.org/ AlsaPlayer]: ALSA audio player - "First player worldwide that did perfect reverse Ogg playback!"
* [http://sonic-rainbow.sourceforge.net/ Sonic-Rainbow]
* [http://www.tf.hut.fi/~flu/cplay/ Cplay]: Curses frontend for ogg123, mpg123 etc
* [http://xinehq.de/ Xine]: Video player with long list of supported formats
* [http://noatun.kde.org/ Noatun]: KDE audio player
* [http://www.cajun.nu/ CAJUN]: Car audio system
* [http://www.giantdisc.org/ GiantDisc]: Jukebox system that can be controlled by a Palm
* [http://rikkus.info/squelch.html s.q.u.e.l.c.h.]: Vorbis only player
* [http://www.mythtv.org/ MythTV]: PVR project
* [http://www.sosdg.org/~larne/w/BMP_Homepage Beep Media Player (a.k.a. BMP)]: XMMS fork that uses GTK+ 2.x and is compatible with both XMMS and Winamp skins
* [http://gqmpeg.sourceforge.net/ GQmpeg]: GTK frontend for mpg123/ogg123 etc
* [http://bossogg.wishy.org/ BossOgg]: Jukebox system
* [http://gmerlin.sourceforge.net/ Gmerlin]:
* [http://www.luga.de/pytone/ PyTone]: Python-based jukebox player
* [http://freakforever.net/lamip/wiki_update/1.4.x/mediawiki-1.4.2/index.php/Main_Page LAMIP]: Modular audio player
* [http://www.sacredchao.net/quodlibet Quodlibet]: Based on GStreamer 0.10 and PyGTK. Keep your music organised.

== Mac OS X ==

* [http://cogosx.sourceforge.net/ Cog] – requires Mac OS X 10.3 (Panther) and greater
* Quicktime components for [http://qtcomponents.sourceforge.net/ Quicktime 6] and [http://www.xiph.org/quicktime/ Quicktime 7] – enables rudimentary support for iTunes 4.7 and greater
* [http://www.whamb.com/ Whamb] – supports Ogg Vorbis and Ogg Vorbis streams, requires Mac OS X 10.2 (Jaguar) and greater
* [http://www.kjams.com/ kJams] – Karaoke program which supports encoding (or re-encoding) of any audio type to Ogg Vorbis, enables editing of comments with the [[VorbisCommentEdit|VCEdit Framework]], requires 10.3 and the [http://www.xiph.org/quicktime/ XiphQT] package. [http://www.kjams.com/wiki/Vorbis More Info].

== Other ==

* [http://english.gamepark.com/ GamePark32]:
:The GP32, an arm9tdmi portable console with much hackability (gcc3 toolchain, expandable memory), has several [http://www.gp32x.com/ Vorbis players] available.
* [http://www.sharp-usa.com/products/TypeLanding/0,1056,112,00.html Sharp’s Zaurus]:
:The Zaurus, a very flexible PDA which runs Linux, can play Vorbis files with a variety of software, including a [http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=617 plugin] for the default media player, [http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=423 xmms], [http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=201 ogg123], [http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=803 mplayer], or [http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcplayer/ theKompany.com’s tkcPlayer].
* [http://www.xbox.com/ Xbox]:
:The [http://www.xboxmediacenter.de/ Xbox Media Center] is an open source project that transforms a modded Xbox with Linux into a media center and streaming client.
* [http://www.playstation.com/ Sony Playstation]:
: The [http://www.trend-express.com/en/medio.html Media Digital Media Player] is a streaming client solution for the Playstation 2.
: The [http://www.psp-hacks.com/2006/03/16/psplayermt-play-nearly-any-video-type-on-your-psp/ PSPlayerMT] is an "unsupported" Korean media player for the PSP. The specs claim it will play Ogg Theora and ogg audio.
*[http://www.nintendo.com/channel/ds Nintendo DS]:
: [http://mdxonline.dyndns.org/archives/2006/09/moonshell_ver141_top.shtml Moonshell] is a homebrew media player for the Nintendo DS. It can play Ogg Vorbis. It has two Vorbis decoders (both using Tremor), a "high accuracy" one limited to 128kbps average, and a "normal accuracy" one that can use higher bitrates, the default being the normal one.

== PalmOS ==

* [http://www.pocket-tunes.com/ Pocket Tunes]: Commercial software: $14.95, free 15-day trial.
* [http://www.aerodromesoftware.com/ AeroPlayer]: Free for Ogg. Mp3 Support costs $20.00.
* [http://poggpl.sourceforge.net/ POggPl]: A free open source player, that is still in alpha-stage.
* [http://sourceforge.net/projects/magiclantern/ The Magic Lantern]: Another open source player in alpha-stage.
* [http://tcpmp.corecodec.org The Core Pocket Media Player]: (Formerly BetaPlayer) Open source media player that uses [[Tremor]] also available for Palm OS

== PocketPC ==

* [http://www.conduits.com/ce/player/download.asp Conduits Pocket Player]: Commercial player, free evaluation available.
* [http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA032810/ GSPlayer]: This is a free player.
* [http://www.cyanwerks.com/pocketogg/ PocketOgg]: Open Source player that uses [[Tremor]]
* [http://www.pocketmind.com/pmfp.htm PocketMusic]: Commercial player.
* [http://tcpmp.corecodec.org The Core Pocket Media Player]: (Formerly BetaPlayer) Open source media player that uses [[Tremor]]

== Symbian ==

* [http://symbianoggplay.sourceforge.net/ OggPlay]
* [http://developer.symbian.com/main/tools/appcode/cpp/ogg_vorbis.jsp OGG Vorbis Controller]: Plugin for Symbian's Multimedia Framework that allows decoding and playing back of Ogg Vorbis compressed audio files

----

''For hardware "mp3-players" that support Ogg Vorbis see [[VorbisHardware]]''

Vorbis Software Players

2007-08-09T16:04:07Z

Mms: /* windows */ splitting up into subcategories: free and proprietary software

Here is a list of media players for various OSes that comes with "out-of-the-box" support for Ogg [[Vorbis]].

== windows ==
* [http://www.zardssoftware.com/ cleanse uninstaller]: cleanse uninstaller the fast easy and complete uninstaller, uninstall any program with safety and ease.
=== free software ===

* [http://musik.berlios.de/ wxmusik]: open source player with support for ogg vorbis, as well as mp3, wav, aiff and wma. makes use of an sql based media libary for quick searching
* [http://coolplayer.sourceforge.net/ coolplayer]: very small open source player
* [http://mediaportal.sourceforge.net/ mediaportal]: open source home theater software
* [http://mac.sourceforge.net/ mpeg audio collection]: organizer for music collection
* [http://www.mediamonkey.com/ mediamonkey]: free easy-to-use player/tagger/media library with built-in ripper & burner. can even encode & transcode to ogg vorbis

=== proprietary software ===

* [http://www.winamp.com/ winamp]: very popular player supporting many formats.
* [http://www.foobar2000.org/ foobar2000]: freeware player with complex options and support for ogg vorbis, mp3, wav and more
* [http://www.quinnware.com/ quintessential player]: freeware player with support for ogg vorbis, mp3, wav and audio cds. also includes cd ripping
* [http://www.dbpoweramp.com/ dbpoweramp audio player]: freeware player with ogg vorbis and flac support
* [http://www.dbpoweramp.com/ dbpoweramp music converter]: freeware audio conversion software with ogg vorbis and flac support. also includes cd ripping
* [http://www.un4seen.com/xmplay.html xmplay]
* [http://www.ashampoo.com/ ashampoo media player+]: audio and video player
* [http://www.deliplayer.com/ deliplayer]:
* [http://www.musicex.com/mediajukebox/ mediajukebox]: audio management
* [http://www.muzikbrowzer.com/ muzikbrowser]: player designed for display on a tv screen
* [http://music.predixis.com/ musicmagic mixer]: player with playlist management
* [http://www.zinf.org/ zinf]: zinf is not freeamp, freeware player
* [http://www.vuplayer.com/vuplayer.php vuplayer]: multi-format freeware audio player with very easy interface.
* [http://www.illiminable.com/ogg/ directshow filter]: adds support for ogg vorbis, ogg speex, ogg theora, ogg flac, and native flac to any directshow-compliant player such as windows media player and bsplayer
* [http://www.musikcube.com/ musikcube]: freeware player
* [http://ksp.kalliope-soft.eu/ ksp sound player]: freeware player with lyrics, media library, suggestion searching and automatic playlist generation
* [http://www.visonair.tv/player.php visonair.tv player]: freeware player - plays ogg vorbis and theora streams
* [http://www.jetaudio.com jetaudio basic]: freeware player with ogg vorbis and flac support.
* [http://www.huelix.com/audiorecorder/ huelix audio recorder]: audio recording software with support for ogg vorbis, wma, mp3, and wav formats.
* [http://www.huelix.com/audio-converter/ huelix audio converter]: audio conversion software to convert among ogg vorbis, wma, mp3, and wav formats.

== Multi-platform ==

* [http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ VLC Media Player]: Open Source media player and streaming server that support virtually every video and audio format
* [http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ Mplayer]: Open Source video player that supports also many audio formats
* [http://www.jcraft.com/jorbis/ JOrbisPlayer]: Java Player that uses the [[JOrbis]] Java decoder
* [http://www.javazoom.net/jlgui/jlgui.html jlGui]: Winamp clone for Java
* [http://www.zinf.org/ Zinf]: Open Source player with support for Ogg Vorbis, as well as MP3, WAV and Audio CDs.
* [http://snackamp.sourceforge.net/ SnackAmp]: Tcl/Tk player
* [https://player.helixcommunity.org/ HelixPlayer]: Open source player from RealNetworks
* [http://www.real.com/ RealPlayer]: Commercial player from RealNetworks (version 10 does not play ogg)
* [http://www.windowsmedia.com/ Microsoft Windows Media Player]: Freeware player from Microsoft (version 10 needs DirectShow filter; see Windows players, above). Runs on both Windows and Macintosh platforms.

== DOS ==

* [http://mpxplay.cjb.net/ mpxplay]: supports many formats

== Linux/BSD ==

* [http://www.xmms.org/ XMMS]
* [http://www.rhythmbox.org/ Rhythmbox]
* [http://developer.kde.org/~wheeler/juk.html JuK]: Open Source player for KDE with support for Ogg Vorbis, FLAC and MP3.
* [http://amarok.kde.org/ amaroK]: Open Source player for KDE with support for Ogg Vorbis among other formats, streaming, Last.FM, lyrics and covert art download and many many more.
* [http://muine.gooeylinux.org/ Muine]: Open Source player for GNOME with support for Ogg Vorbis, FLAC and MP3.
* [http://musik.berlios.de/ wxMusik]: Open Source player with support for Ogg Vorbis, as well as MP3, WAV and AIFF. Makes use of an SQL based media libary for quick searching.
* [http://musicpd.org/ MPD]: Music Player Daemon is a sound server that supports different clients. Supports many formats, among them Ogg Vorbis and FLAC
* [http://www.alsaplayer.org/ AlsaPlayer]: ALSA audio player - "First player worldwide that did perfect reverse Ogg playback!"
* [http://sonic-rainbow.sourceforge.net/ Sonic-Rainbow]
* [http://www.tf.hut.fi/~flu/cplay/ Cplay]: Curses frontend for ogg123, mpg123 etc
* [http://xinehq.de/ Xine]: Video player with long list of supported formats
* [http://noatun.kde.org/ Noatun]: KDE audio player
* [http://www.cajun.nu/ CAJUN]: Car audio system
* [http://www.giantdisc.org/ GiantDisc]: Jukebox system that can be controlled by a Palm
* [http://rikkus.info/squelch.html s.q.u.e.l.c.h.]: Vorbis only player
* [http://www.mythtv.org/ MythTV]: PVR project
* [http://www.sosdg.org/~larne/w/BMP_Homepage Beep Media Player (a.k.a. BMP)]: XMMS fork that uses GTK+ 2.x and is compatible with both XMMS and Winamp skins
* [http://gqmpeg.sourceforge.net/ GQmpeg]: GTK frontend for mpg123/ogg123 etc
* [http://bossogg.wishy.org/ BossOgg]: Jukebox system
* [http://gmerlin.sourceforge.net/ Gmerlin]:
* [http://www.luga.de/pytone/ PyTone]: Python-based jukebox player
* [http://freakforever.net/lamip/wiki_update/1.4.x/mediawiki-1.4.2/index.php/Main_Page LAMIP]: Modular audio player
* [http://www.sacredchao.net/quodlibet Quodlibet]: Based on GStreamer 0.10 and PyGTK. Keep your music organised.

== Mac OS X ==

* [http://cogosx.sourceforge.net/ Cog] – requires Mac OS X 10.3 (Panther) and greater
* Quicktime components for [http://qtcomponents.sourceforge.net/ Quicktime 6] and [http://www.xiph.org/quicktime/ Quicktime 7] – enables rudimentary support for iTunes 4.7 and greater
* [http://www.whamb.com/ Whamb] – supports Ogg Vorbis and Ogg Vorbis streams, requires Mac OS X 10.2 (Jaguar) and greater
* [http://www.kjams.com/ kJams] – Karaoke program which supports encoding (or re-encoding) of any audio type to Ogg Vorbis, enables editing of comments with the [[VorbisCommentEdit|VCEdit Framework]], requires 10.3 and the [http://www.xiph.org/quicktime/ XiphQT] package. [http://www.kjams.com/wiki/Vorbis More Info].

== Other ==

* [http://english.gamepark.com/ GamePark32]:
:The GP32, an arm9tdmi portable console with much hackability (gcc3 toolchain, expandable memory), has several [http://www.gp32x.com/ Vorbis players] available.
* [http://www.sharp-usa.com/products/TypeLanding/0,1056,112,00.html Sharp’s Zaurus]:
:The Zaurus, a very flexible PDA which runs Linux, can play Vorbis files with a variety of software, including a [http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=617 plugin] for the default media player, [http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=423 xmms], [http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=201 ogg123], [http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=803 mplayer], or [http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcplayer/ theKompany.com’s tkcPlayer].
* [http://www.xbox.com/ Xbox]:
:The [http://www.xboxmediacenter.de/ Xbox Media Center] is an open source project that transforms a modded Xbox with Linux into a media center and streaming client.
* [http://www.playstation.com/ Sony Playstation]:
: The [http://www.trend-express.com/en/medio.html Media Digital Media Player] is a streaming client solution for the Playstation 2.
: The [http://www.psp-hacks.com/2006/03/16/psplayermt-play-nearly-any-video-type-on-your-psp/ PSPlayerMT] is an "unsupported" Korean media player for the PSP. The specs claim it will play Ogg Theora and ogg audio.
*[http://www.nintendo.com/channel/ds Nintendo DS]:
: [http://mdxonline.dyndns.org/archives/2006/09/moonshell_ver141_top.shtml Moonshell] is a homebrew media player for the Nintendo DS. It can play Ogg Vorbis. It has two Vorbis decoders (both using Tremor), a "high accuracy" one limited to 128kbps average, and a "normal accuracy" one that can use higher bitrates, the default being the normal one.

== PalmOS ==

* [http://www.pocket-tunes.com/ Pocket Tunes]: Commercial software: $14.95, free 15-day trial.
* [http://www.aerodromesoftware.com/ AeroPlayer]: Free for Ogg. Mp3 Support costs $20.00.
* [http://poggpl.sourceforge.net/ POggPl]: A free open source player, that is still in alpha-stage.
* [http://sourceforge.net/projects/magiclantern/ The Magic Lantern]: Another open source player in alpha-stage.
* [http://tcpmp.corecodec.org The Core Pocket Media Player]: (Formerly BetaPlayer) Open source media player that uses [[Tremor]] also available for Palm OS

== PocketPC ==

* [http://www.conduits.com/ce/player/download.asp Conduits Pocket Player]: Commercial player, free evaluation available.
* [http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA032810/ GSPlayer]: This is a free player.
* [http://www.cyanwerks.com/pocketogg/ PocketOgg]: Open Source player that uses [[Tremor]]
* [http://www.pocketmind.com/pmfp.htm PocketMusic]: Commercial player.
* [http://tcpmp.corecodec.org The Core Pocket Media Player]: (Formerly BetaPlayer) Open source media player that uses [[Tremor]]

== Symbian ==

* [http://symbianoggplay.sourceforge.net/ OggPlay]
* [http://developer.symbian.com/main/tools/appcode/cpp/ogg_vorbis.jsp OGG Vorbis Controller]: Plugin for Symbian's Multimedia Framework that allows decoding and playing back of Ogg Vorbis compressed audio files

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''For hardware "mp3-players" that support Ogg Vorbis see [[VorbisHardware]]''

Theora Hardware

2007-08-09T15:58:39Z

Mms: /* Consumer products */

This is a list of hardware of all categories, from chipsets to ready-to-use products, that support Ogg Theora.

Hardware support status for Ogg Theora is a new thing, but it seems it's sometimes included even if not advertised. If you can't find a suitable player come back next week, or ask your vendor if they could add support.

If you know of any hardware or projects that are not yet mentioned here, please add them to the list.

= Consumer products =

These players support Ogg Theora either out of the box or after a firmware upgrade.

* KiSS DP-1500. Not advertising, but reportedly supports playback of Ogg Theora. Probably [http://www-uk.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C1&childpagename=UK%2FLayout&cid=1129319260635&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper other KiSS products], too?

= Non-consumer products =

== Encoder ==
The [http://www.xilinx.com/publications/xcellonline/xcell_53/xc_video53.htm Elphel 333] can encode a Theora stream.

== Decoder ==
Currently there is a hardware decoder implementation being developed.
The Google "Summer Of Code 2006" ([http://www.students.ic.unicamp.br/~ra023772/projects.html author's university projects page]) began to produce an FPGA decoder implementation in VHDL and now there is another "Summer Of Code 2007" project ([http://code.google.com/soc/xiph/appinfo.html?csaid=4235040C184DBD68 description]) to work on it together with another independent developer.

Here are two presentations that the author of the SOC 2006 proposal presented in his University:
* The first idea of implementation is shown on this presentation: [http://svn.xiph.org/trunk/theora-fpga/doc/hard_theora.pdf Theora Hardware Decoding]
* [http://svn.xiph.org/trunk/theora-fpga/doc/video_enc_basic.pdf Video Encoding: Basic Principles]

=== Architecture and current state of development ===

* [http://svn.xiph.org/trunk/theora-fpga/ Current Theora Hardware VHDL source]
* [http://www.gaisler.com/leonmain.html LEON resouces]
* [http://www.students.ic.unicamp.br/~ra031198/leon3.JPG LEON architecture]

http://www.students.ic.unicamp.br/~ra023772/images/theora_integration_with_LEON.png

=== Developers ===
* Felipe Portavales Goldstein (portavales at gmail) - [http://www.students.ic.unicamp.br/~ra023772/ Website]
* Leonardo de Paula Rosa Piga (leonardo.piga at gmail) - [http://www.students.ic.unicamp.br/~ra033956/ Website]
* Andre Costa

== See also ==
{{Template:Theora}}
* [[VorbisHardware]]

Spread Open Media/en/FAQ

2007-08-09T15:20:10Z

Mms: /* But I don't care about any of those movements. I'm just a normal guy/girl. */ The ideological aspects are the main and best ones. You meant the “practical” aspects.

{{SOM_en}}

== What is Spread Open Media all about? ==
Spread Open Media is the one web site where you’ll find everything you need to know about the media formats that will help build a better world. And if you believe in our cause, you may want to tell everyone you know about those new formats, because ignorance is their worst
enemy. So come join the fight to free the content you care from the corporations that want to restrict your rights and lock your files.

On SOM you will find campaigns to join, advertisement material to use, tutorials to help your friends, a database of products that work with Open Media formats, and a directory of cool stuff to watch or listen to.

Open Media formats allow for innovation, quality, and freedom. Through them, and only through them, do projects like Wikipedia and Creative Commons make sense. Through them, and only through them, will video and audio work across the web as smoothly as images do now. It’s time to promote them. It’s time to Spread Open Media.

== How can I help? ==
There’s many things you can do:
* Start using Open Media formats.
* Share only Open Media formats with others.
* Link to this site. We have some banners that you may use.
* Inform companies that you want to use Open Media formats (check the [[MailOgging]] project).
* Join one of the campaigns.
* Suggest new campaigns.
* Help translate this site to other languages.
* Pay a programmer to fix existing programs that deal badly with Open Media formats.
* Pay for advertisement somewhere for the SOM cause.
* Record podcasts in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speex Speex]. Release music in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbis Vorbis] or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLAC FLAC]. Use [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theora Theora] for video. Make [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Vector_Graphics SVG] and/or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PNG PNG] graphics for your web site. Use [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument OpenDocument] on your office. Share [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XML_Shareable_Playlist_Format XSPF] playlists.
* Avoid [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3 MP3], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding AAC], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4%20AVC H.264], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xvid Xvid], and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XML OOXML] like the plague.

== What Open Media formats are there? ==

Here’s a list of the most common:

* [http://theora.org/ Theora] (video, lossy)
* [http://flac.sourceforge.net/ FLAC] (audio, lossless)
* [http://vorbis.com/ Vorbis] (audio, lossy)
* [http://speex.org/ Speex] (audio, voice)
* [http://xspf.org/ XSPF] (playlists)
* [http://w3.org/Graphics/SVG/ SVG] (vector image)
* [http://libpng.org/pub/png/ PNG] (raster image, lossless)
* [http://opendocument.xml.org/ OpenDocument] (office)
* [http://w3.org/AudioVideo SMIL] (media presentations)

This list is not complete.

== Why do free/open media formats matter for either the Free Software, Free Culture, or Open Source movements? ==
Let's just say that without Open Media formats there's really no point for any of those projects. Media is content. When it's locked in proprietary formats, you remove the freedom of the users to use it. If you believe in the ideals of any of those movements, you should not create content under proprietary formats or create tools that work with these formats only.

== But I don't care about any of those movements. I'm just a normal guy/girl. ==
Then focus on the more “practical” aspects of Open Media formats. Most of them provide better audio or visual quality than their proprietary counter-parts. All of them are confirmed to work in the future, whereas with proprietary formats you never know what the corporation is planning. And there's no DRM. Open Media formats are not crippled or defective by design. They provide you with what you want: content.

== But the pirates won't release material under Open Media formats! ==
Unfortunately, piracy will always exist. More unfortunately, the rise of formats is always due to piracy: look at VHS and MP3 cases.

While we will not advocate nor condemn piracy, the problem with the warez scene is that they release material on the currently popular formats. Open Media can be popular as well as long as people work to make it so. So, while we will not advocate nor condemn piracy, we hope the warez scene will wake up and do the right thing. The warez scene believes it's doing the world a favor. Maybe they should prove that by going further and use Open Media formats only.

However, pirated content will not get a clean legal status no matter how open and free the media format involved is. Never forget that. Magnatunes and others will sell you content under Open Media formats.

== How do I edit SOM articles? ==
Easy. Follow the [ edit ] link at the bottom of every post. It will lead you to a wiki where you may help improve the articles.

== Why the acronym SOM? ==
SOM is the Portuguese word for "sound". The name was chosen because of the sound of every voice asking to Spread Open Media.

== What is this Ogg thing I keep hearing about? ==
Ogg is a container format. It’s complex, but you don’t need to know the details. Just keep in mind that Theora is sometimes called Ogg Video and Vorbis called Ogg Audio, because they both go inside Ogg.

You may also see some ignorant companies promoting so-called “OGG players”. There’s two serious problems here: Ogg is NOT an acronym and these companies are fooling their customers into thinking Ogg _is_ Vorbis, which is not true. So, if you see a company selling a player with support for “OGG”, it means it can play Vorbis, but very likely it won’t play any of Theora, Speex, OggPCM, OggMNG, or OggUVS.

To avoid confusion just forget about Ogg altogether and call the formats by their appropriate name, regardless of their connection to the Ogg project.

== Is SOM related with PlayOgg? ==
No. That's a campaign of the Free Software Foundation.

== How do I put a license in my video or audio files? ==
If you own the copyright of a media work you may license it under whatever conditions you like. Check [[LICENSE and COPYRIGHT tags on Vorbis Comments|this tutorial]] for instructions on how to do it.

Spread Open Media/en/FAQ

2007-08-09T15:16:39Z

Mms: /* Is SOM related with PlayOgg? */ No. That's a campaign of the Free Software Foundation.

{{SOM_en}}

== What is Spread Open Media all about? ==
Spread Open Media is the one web site where you’ll find everything you need to know about the media formats that will help build a better world. And if you believe in our cause, you may want to tell everyone you know about those new formats, because ignorance is their worst
enemy. So come join the fight to free the content you care from the corporations that want to restrict your rights and lock your files.

On SOM you will find campaigns to join, advertisement material to use, tutorials to help your friends, a database of products that work with Open Media formats, and a directory of cool stuff to watch or listen to.

Open Media formats allow for innovation, quality, and freedom. Through them, and only through them, do projects like Wikipedia and Creative Commons make sense. Through them, and only through them, will video and audio work across the web as smoothly as images do now. It’s time to promote them. It’s time to Spread Open Media.

== How can I help? ==
There’s many things you can do:
* Start using Open Media formats.
* Share only Open Media formats with others.
* Link to this site. We have some banners that you may use.
* Inform companies that you want to use Open Media formats (check the [[MailOgging]] project).
* Join one of the campaigns.
* Suggest new campaigns.
* Help translate this site to other languages.
* Pay a programmer to fix existing programs that deal badly with Open Media formats.
* Pay for advertisement somewhere for the SOM cause.
* Record podcasts in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speex Speex]. Release music in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbis Vorbis] or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLAC FLAC]. Use [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theora Theora] for video. Make [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Vector_Graphics SVG] and/or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PNG PNG] graphics for your web site. Use [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument OpenDocument] on your office. Share [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XML_Shareable_Playlist_Format XSPF] playlists.
* Avoid [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3 MP3], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding AAC], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4%20AVC H.264], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xvid Xvid], and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XML OOXML] like the plague.

== What Open Media formats are there? ==

Here’s a list of the most common:

* [http://theora.org/ Theora] (video, lossy)
* [http://flac.sourceforge.net/ FLAC] (audio, lossless)
* [http://vorbis.com/ Vorbis] (audio, lossy)
* [http://speex.org/ Speex] (audio, voice)
* [http://xspf.org/ XSPF] (playlists)
* [http://w3.org/Graphics/SVG/ SVG] (vector image)
* [http://libpng.org/pub/png/ PNG] (raster image, lossless)
* [http://opendocument.xml.org/ OpenDocument] (office)
* [http://w3.org/AudioVideo SMIL] (media presentations)

This list is not complete.

== Why do free/open media formats matter for either the Free Software, Free Culture, or Open Source movements? ==
Let's just say that without Open Media formats there's really no point for any of those projects. Media is content. When it's locked in proprietary formats, you remove the freedom of the users to use it. If you believe in the ideals of any of those movements, you should not create content under proprietary formats or create tools that work with these formats only.

== But I don't care about any of those movements. I'm just a normal guy/girl. ==
Then focus on the good aspects of Open Media formats. Most of them provide better audio or visual quality than their proprietary counter-parts. All of them are confirmed to work in the future, whereas with proprietary formats you never know what the corporation is planning. And there's no DRM. Open Media formats are not crippled or defective by design. They provide you with what you want: content.

== But the pirates won't release material under Open Media formats! ==
Unfortunately, piracy will always exist. More unfortunately, the rise of formats is always due to piracy: look at VHS and MP3 cases.

While we will not advocate nor condemn piracy, the problem with the warez scene is that they release material on the currently popular formats. Open Media can be popular as well as long as people work to make it so. So, while we will not advocate nor condemn piracy, we hope the warez scene will wake up and do the right thing. The warez scene believes it's doing the world a favor. Maybe they should prove that by going further and use Open Media formats only.

However, pirated content will not get a clean legal status no matter how open and free the media format involved is. Never forget that. Magnatunes and others will sell you content under Open Media formats.

== How do I edit SOM articles? ==
Easy. Follow the [ edit ] link at the bottom of every post. It will lead you to a wiki where you may help improve the articles.

== Why the acronym SOM? ==
SOM is the Portuguese word for "sound". The name was chosen because of the sound of every voice asking to Spread Open Media.

== What is this Ogg thing I keep hearing about? ==
Ogg is a container format. It’s complex, but you don’t need to know the details. Just keep in mind that Theora is sometimes called Ogg Video and Vorbis called Ogg Audio, because they both go inside Ogg.

You may also see some ignorant companies promoting so-called “OGG players”. There’s two serious problems here: Ogg is NOT an acronym and these companies are fooling their customers into thinking Ogg _is_ Vorbis, which is not true. So, if you see a company selling a player with support for “OGG”, it means it can play Vorbis, but very likely it won’t play any of Theora, Speex, OggPCM, OggMNG, or OggUVS.

To avoid confusion just forget about Ogg altogether and call the formats by their appropriate name, regardless of their connection to the Ogg project.

== Is SOM related with PlayOgg? ==
No. That's a campaign of the Free Software Foundation.

== How do I put a license in my video or audio files? ==
If you own the copyright of a media work you may license it under whatever conditions you like. Check [[LICENSE and COPYRIGHT tags on Vorbis Comments|this tutorial]] for instructions on how to do it.

Talk:Spread Open Media/en/FAQ

2007-08-09T15:07:01Z

Mms: /* AndreI's question */ re

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== AndreI's question ==

'''AndreL''' wrote:

> Why aren't GIF, JPEG, and JPEG2000 on this list?

JPEG2000: '''highly''' proprietary

JPEG: proprietary (?), lossy with little benefit only, too much inappropriate usage (poor quality images)

GIF: used to be affected by LZW84 patent, this is now expired, but still not fully free (?), obsolete, poor compression, 256 colors only. Problem: no usable PNG animation so far :-(

[[User:DOS386|DOS386]] 07:42, 2 August 2007 (PDT)

: GIF and JPEG are the only two formats you can rely on a web browser to properly decode, and for this reason are by far the most popular image formats on the web. (The most popular web browser doesn't properly decode PNG.) I'd like to know why they aren't considered sufficiently free. People on the JPEG2000 standards committee worked very hard trying to insure that free software implementations would be possible. How did they fail? [[User:Andrel|Andrel]]

:: > GIF and JPEG are the only two formats you can rely on a web browser to properly decode

:: NOT true :-(

:: > The most popular web browser doesn't properly decode PNG

:: Please reveal what browser you consider as "most popular". Also, if a browser can't decode PNG correctly, then it is a '''faulty''' browser and you should bug maintainers of this browser, rather than promote bad image formats.

:::The Internet Explorer isn't a web browser by the way.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Internet_Explorer/Archive_3#IE_is_not_a_web_browser] --[[User:Mms|Mms]] 08:07, 9 August 2007 (PDT)

:: > People on the JPEG2000 standards committee worked very hard trying to insure that free software implementations would be possible

:: Evidence please. AFAIK the opposite is true. And AFAIK '''NO''' browser has built-in JPEG2000 support by now.

:: [[User:DOS386|DOS386]] 00:09, 4 August 2007 (PDT)

IIRC there is some patent trouble with JPEG2000 (don't know specifics) but to my knowledge JPEG (at least the usual baseline we're all using) isn't problematic (even the Forgent patent that caused some trouble in 2002 is expired by now). GIF, which is a tad bit dated, also apparently isn't covered by any patent anymore. [[User:Maikmerten|Maikmerten]] 00:20, 3 August 2007 (PDT)

: Not sure about how far JPG is proprietary (if there are still active patents, they will expire soon anyway), the main problem might be inappropriate usage of it for screenshots, tables, graphs, etc. And it's a bit obsolete (some geeks try to recompres JPG lostlessly !!!). [[User:DOS386|DOS386]] 00:09, 4 August 2007 (PDT)

:: JPEG is far from obsolete. Lossless compression (read: PNG) is usually generating too big files on photographic content. - [[User:Maikmerten|Maikmerten]] 03:57, 5 August 2007 (PDT)

JPEG and GIF do not need promotion for heaven's sake. That list is not exhaustive either. JPEG 2000 is very much proprietary and full of patents. Worse, it offers little advantages over common JPEG. Ah, if only PNG could be used for digital photography... Anyhow, not a big list. Just the most common. Does anyone want to compile an entire list of even the real real obscure ones?--[[User:Saoshyant|Ivo]] 17:40, 7 August 2007 (PDT)

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== Saoshyant's latest addition ==

'''Saoshyant''' wrote:

> Is SOM related with PlayOgg?

> No, and if you actually want to help promote Open Media formats

> like Vorbis avoid them. Threat tactics, desinformation, and ignorancy

> do _not_ pass the message we want.

Please rewrite. It's '''_NOT_''' obvious at all who of them (SOM, PlayOgg, Vorbis) is the good and should be promoted and who is the evil and should be avoided ...

[[User:DOS386|DOS386]] 07:42, 2 August 2007 (PDT)

:It will be changed.--[[User:Saoshyant|Ivo]] 17:40, 7 August 2007 (PDT)
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Talk:MailOgging

2007-08-09T14:46:24Z

Mms: /* So, please, dear Apple/Microsoft? */ re

== What about [http://www.fsf.org/news/playogg.html 'Play Ogg']? ==

That project won't ever be succesful or useful for our cause. They mistake Vorbis for Ogg, try to promote it through fear instead of coolness, and it's just a single page with a lame banner. I contacted the responsible members of the FSF so we could work together, but I received no reply to this day. So be it. We shall go our separate ways. We have [[Spread Open Media|SOM]], they have PlayOgg. The more the merrier.--[[User:Saoshyant|Ivo]] 10:35, 8 June 2007 (PDT)

:That's the press release you linked to. Their campaign is located at [http://playogg.org/ http://playogg.org]. They don't mistake Vorbis for Ogg. [http://spreadopenmedia.org/ http://spreadopenmedia.org] also uses fear: ''“Avoid MP3, AAC, H.264, Xvid, and OOXML like the plague.”'' But it doesn't even mention patents. So the FSF campaign is has much more substance at the moment. They don't hide the real reason why Open Media formats were and are being developed. --[[User:Mms|Mms]] 14:18, 6 August 2007 (PDT)

== So, please, dear Apple/Microsoft? ==

Why are we helping these companies to fullfill the needs of their costumers? I want to see especially those two destroyed! --[[User:Mms|Mms]] 14:25, 6 August 2007 (PDT)

:Agree. I suggest '''deleting''' the letter to M$ about "windows". And I'll delete it soon if nobody contradicts with good arguments. The letter is absolutely pointless and ridiculous:
:* Someone who decides to use "windows" also decides to be happy with all features of it: WGA, '''DRM''', built-in spyware, usage of proprietary fileformats (to be mailed to friends having "windows" as well), ...
:* You can't expect that WMF changes exclusive / default output format from WMV to Theora.
:* The user should have the right to choose the OS, not have all-in-one in "windows".
:* The "promise" that Ogg Family support in WMP will attract many new customers is absurd, "windows" and WMP already posses 98% of the market.
:* Asking for "better" mm support in "windows" makes the position of alternative OS'es even worse
:* There was a request to remove the WMP from "windows" in the past. One makes himself a fool if opposite requests come in from same / similar groups / lobbies :-D
:
: OTOH The letters about hardware (portable players) are perfectly useful. [[User:DOS386|DOS386]] 01:55, 7 August 2007 (PDT)

:: 3 more hardware related letters added. [[User:DOS386|DOS386]] 02:25, 7 August 2007 (PDT)

And you two are idealistic idiots. We want our formats to work EVERYWHERE. They weren't created for the free software camp alone but for everyone. We want to help the world to get away from proprietary formats. If that helps the Free Software, the Free Culture, or the Open Source movements in the process GREAT.

If you want to "destroy" those companies join Linux development for games, which is what it's needing right now. Also, do not port your tools to Windows or OS X. Make them exclusive of free software operating systems.

Open Formats exist solely to work across all applications known to humans. To avoid any kind of vendor lock-in. Okay?--[[User:Saoshyant|Ivo]] 17:23, 7 August 2007 (PDT)

:You want to promote open media formats through coolness but start your reply with “you two are idealistic idiots.” You mistake allowing proprietary software to include file format support with begging the main combatants for support. They are free to implement support in their next versions. Nobody wants to change this. But one makes himself a fool if he begs “please, ''dear'' Apple/Microsoft”. They play this game rough and they won't change their attitudes because some “idealistic idiots” send heart-warming letters to them. There is free software which runs on Windows and Mac OS. So if you want to address their users You can still advocate open media formats without forcing them to abandon these systems. --[[User:Mms|Mms]] 07:46, 9 August 2007 (PDT)

Talk:MailOgging

2007-08-06T21:25:29Z

Mms: /* So, please, dear Appe/Microsoft? */ Apple is the name

Talk:MailOgging

2007-08-06T21:25:03Z

Mms: So, please, dear Appe/Microsoft?

Talk:MailOgging

2007-08-06T21:18:10Z

Mms: re

Talk:Vorbis Software Players

2007-08-06T20:56:13Z

Mms: free or proprietary?

== free or proprietary? ==

There should be an additional category which players are free software or proprietary (which list would be shorter). --[[User:Mms|Mms]] 13:56, 6 August 2007 (PDT)

Talk:StaticPlayers

2007-08-06T20:44:57Z

Mms: added headings and answered on PLU2

== xbox, playstation, dbox2 ==

strictly speaking such items like xbox, playstation, dbox2 etc are not natively supporting Ogg Vorbis, and belong only to the software players page. But they might not be found there by the crowd. what do other wiki editors think about it ?
:I added a sentence (copied from [[VorbisHardware]]) about hardware that is able to run third-party software. --[[User:Blenda|Blenda]] 09:11, 11 January 2006 (PST)

== Yakumo Hypersound Car ==

It is not shure, that the Yakumo Hypersound Car plays OGG. May be only the UK-Version (manuals are diffrent between UK and Germany) or only over the SD Card not from CD.

:I can confirm that the UK version of this unit plays OGG from USB, SD and CD, as long as the CD drive is recognised (see links in main entry). [[User:Seantellis|Seantellis]] 08:06, 27 November 2006 (PST)

== PLU2 ==

Saw [http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4652708925&category=64860&rd=1 this car unit] on German ebay by PLU2. Says OGG on the display and plays from SD/USB. Can also record radio, but looks like that is only to MP3. That auction closed at 80 Euros. Included corporate site on main page, but can't see that unit there. [[User:Steevc|Steevc]] 03:21, 4 July 2006 (PDT)

:They've updated their page now have you can clearly see OGG on the unit's display [[User:Steevc|Steevc]] 09:58, 2 September 2006 (PDT)

::This unit is very similar to the later Yakumo Hypersound and the Roadstar; whith the latter having memory in the detachable front face, and a mini-usb socket to connect to a 'puter. [[User:Bodo|Bodo]] 17:05, 28 December 2006 (PST)

::Bought the PLU2 unit: It plays OGG from CD and USB, have not tested SD yet. Neither OGG nor MP3 are gapless, USB has larger gaps than CD. Can record from radio or CD to MP3 or WMV on USB or SD. Have only tested my own (q6) files with it so far. Is there some kind of "test suite" for devices, or should I just encode something at various quality levels? [[User:Cavecanem|Cavecanem]] 07:13, 21 January 2007 (PST)

::Bought the PLU2 unit and I can't recommend it. The sound quality is poor and it sometimes freezes while playing CD. --[[User:Mms|Mms]] 13:44, 6 August 2007 (PDT)

== Merge of the Car Audio section with the Automobiles on [[PortablePlayers]]? ==

BTW Shouldn't the Car Audio section here be merged with the Automobiles on [[PortablePlayers]]? [[User:Steevc|Steevc]] 08:42, 1 September 2006 (PDT)

:Yes, let's please merge the sections. To me they should both be under static. But either page (static or portable) would be fine if there is a pointer from one to the other. I just made some buying decisions based on the static page - and I would have bought something else had I known about the portable page! [[User:Bendb|Bendb]] 15:47, 11 September 2006 (PDT)

:Ben, I had the opposite problem - after all, a car player moves around, right, so it must be portable! I have therefore merged the Automobiles section from the portable players page into here, leaving a link from the old section. I have also normalized the formatting, and removed some duplicated information. Given the confusion as to whether this is static or portable, we might think about having a specific page for it. [[User:Seantellis|Seantellis]] 08:00, 27 November 2006 (PST)

== JVC-KD-G722 ==

I recently bought a [http://www.pixmania.nl/nl/nl/229055/art/jvc/autoradio-cd-mp3-usb-sd-k.html JVC-KD-G722]
This model also has a usb interface (not mentioned in this wiki)
It plays OGG until q5, supports VBR (both MP3 and OGG) and plays only OGG from the usb interface (not from cd,(why not actually?)
Also tagging support with ogg. This device sounds very well. I bought it for euro 135.--[[User:Bbusstra|burdy]] 04:41, 30 December 2006 (PST)