Talk:PortablePlayers

2008-04-15T10:09:02Z

Mattflaschen: iRiver e100

==TrekStor==
There are many more portable players by TrekStor than the i.beat 500 supporting ogg vorbis.

Please add products to the main page.

== LG players ==
I think LG's player MF-FM30 looks nice. BUT, does it have support for UMS (the products homepage doesn't say so so I guess not) or does there software work in Linux? Somebody who knows?
Hannulan - 23:48, 1 oktober 2006

== List of top five players ==
It would be a good idea to have a few (five?) players at the top with images that are considered to be the best *recent* devices. I don't think any of the MP3 using masses will use this page to choose their next music player unless it lists recent devices, and presents a choice of five or six at the top, with images, and links to sites that they can buy them from. Also, could someone put up a notice to remind people it's not OGG, or Ogg! It's Ogg Vorbis, or if you must, Vorbis. - thehumanerror 25th December 2006

I totally agree with the above. This page was next to useless for me when I was shopping for a Vorbis player since I was overwhelmed with choices. Add to that the fact that many products have been discontinued or cannot be bought new and there's a recipe for disaster. - erpo41 October 17th, 2007

:Yes. This is a good idea. Create a section at the top. Polish it well. And perhaps add a free-licensed photo. Anyone up for it?--[[User:Saoshyant|Ivo]] 06:41, 17 October 2007 (PDT)

I would rather see just a simple feature matrix (sorted so that unavailable devices are listed at the bottom, or just not listed at all). See talk below. Maybe preferred choises could be raised to the top thought! I agree that current list is quite unusable.

== Recording in Vorbis ==

I would like to know which Players can '''record''' in Vorbis?! -- [[User:217.186.150.213|217.186.150.213]] 17:03, 26 Dec 2004 (PST)

:Ditto. Absolutely vital information. Do any of the players listed also record in Vorbis? If anyone has experience with A player, please state specifically whether it does or does not record in Vorbis.[[User:Nickhill|Nickhill]] 15:04, 4 June 2006 (PDT)

::Never heard of one that does, and there isn't a fixed point reference encoder, which makes it unlikely.

== Pretec Allegro may need firmware update ==

I recently purchased a Pretec Allegro, but was unable to play Oggs for three months, until the firmware update was made available on 14 or 15 March 2005. Now it works well! (So far, listening to -q3 Oggs). I'd hope that units purchased after this date already has the firmware update, but you never know. Installing the update is as simple as placing the .rom on the USB-storage-device media (eg flash disk), starting up the unit, and pressing the play button. -- Hugo van der Merwe
: How much battery runtime do you get playing Oggs compared with playing mp3? [[User:Phr|Phr]] 02:05, 27 Aug 2005 (PDT)

== Any player with Removable Memory Cards ==

The NexBlack (see [[PortablePlayers]] ) has removable compact flash and batteries.

Every single Vorbis-capable portable player out there seems to come with built-in flash memory. Which is stupid, because I don't want to fire up my computer and plug in the player every time I get tired of the tracks on my player. Plus flash memory has a limited lifetime (write cycles) and so does your player with built-in memory. The same applies for built-in rechargable batteries.

Now when would you ever need to buy your second device without any moving parts if you could just change flash memory and batteries? Ok, that's the industrie's point of view but not mine. I want to go on vacation with music and batteries for one week of non-stop music - without a power source or computer nearby.

So, any hint to where I might find a portable audio player that can play back ogg vorbis files and uses SD flash cards (and preferably AAA-batteries) would be greatly appreciated.
* Me too! If the [http://enox.co.kr/2004/eng/product/product_830_01.asp Enox EMX-830] took SD cards it'd be perfect. --[[User:Rgm|rgm]] 14:41, 7 Nov 2005 (PST)

* SanDisk Sansa e250/e260/e270/e280 has a microSD-card slot. With ROCKbox it plays Ogg/Vorbis and more.[[User:Nostromo|Nostromo]] 15:26, 29 October 2007 (PDT)

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The Pretec Allegro is not the slickest player out there, it's LCD backlight seems to give off a high-pitched whine, which not everyone can hear (it kind-of screams in my ears though, so I put the backlight timer on 1 second so it doesn't scream too long). It is, however, the only one I now know of that can play Oggs, and uses removable media. If you want a nicely portable device, you have to use Pretec's "iDisk tiny" usb flash disk, the only thing that will fit inside. You can also, however, connect some USB SD-card reader with it's cable, then listen to Oggs off of SD. A little unwieldy, but, it works, and is the only thing *I* know of. (I stopped following developments in December though, when I bought it...)

== Samsung / Yepp ==

Moved to [[Talk:PortablePlayersSamsungYepp]]

== UniBrain iZak ==

Apologies if this is the wrong place for this; I'm new to wikis.

The UniBrain iZak was added, then removed recently, with the comment that it doesn't claim to play Ogg Vorbis.

The FAQ is available here: [http://www.unibrain.com/support/FAQ_iZak.htm iZak FAQ] and Question/Answer 24 says:

'22. Can iZak™ support OGG audio files?

Yes, iZak™ fully supports OGG playback using the latest firmware.'

:I was the one that removed it. In their specs linked from the main page, I saw that they listed only MP3 and WMA support for music formats. Obviously they need to update their promotional material! I went ahead and added the iZak back in, making a point to mention that the most current version of the firmware now supports Ogg Vorbis and linking to their FAQ as evidence. [[User:Saxifrage|Saxifrage]] 02:36, 5 May 2005 (PDT)

:Splendid. I didn't want to just stick it back after it had been taken out.--[[User:Ipl|Ipl]] 05:14, 5 May 2005 (PDT)

== Entempo Spirit ==

This inexpensive player from Entempo had listed Vorbis as a "Supported Audio Format", but the device will not index the Vorbis files into it's menus -- let alone play the files. Tested with both the stock and most recent firmware, May 29, 2005. Vendor had been contacted and removed Vorbis support claims from their website, but has not provided any resolution to customers which purchased the product expecting this support. The company's webpage has disappeared as of Feb 2006.

== Lexar LDP-800 dropped ==
It seems that Lexar have abondoned the LDP-800. The following was posted by a user on [http://www.dapreview.net/comment.php?comment.news.1055 dapreview.net]
" Unfortunately, lexar will not offer the LDP-800, but will focus instead
on its existing LDP Players that already offer appealing features and
benefits to meet a variety of consumer needs."
Shame.--[[User:Ipl|Ipl]] 06:15, 22 Jul 2005 (PDT)

There's more info on that dapreview thread that indicates some confusion within Lexar. Currently, it looks like the release is going to happen in early September.

Update 2005-11-11: after inquiries to Lexar's "new products" personnel, I received a telephone message that the LDP-800 will definitely "is not going to see the light of day." Ask me if you want details. I agree that it's a shame since this looked to be an outstanding product. --[[User:dfavro|dfavro]]

== Hong Kong Dream-tech Electronic DT-202, works? please confirm ==
http://hkdream-tech.com
An ebay seller says that it can reproduce Vorbis. This is unconfirmed. In the manufacturer web it says: MP3, WMA, WAV, DMV and etc.

Some webpage also says that it works on Windows, Mac and Linux. Also unconfirmed.
Further investigation required.

== Trekstor i.Beat Cube ==
This player seems to be very similar to the Samsung Yepp YP-T6, possibly with the [[#Yepp_MT-6X|same problems]] regarding Vorbis playback. Trekstor has moved [http://www.trekstor.de/en/produkte/mp3-player/ibeat-cube.html info about this player] from "MP3-Player" to the "Archive" section which propably means that it is not produced anymore.

== The Muzio jm300 / jm-300 does NOT play Vorbis ==

NB this is the jm-300 (not 100 or 200)

I bought this a month ago. I've been unable to play Vorbis files on
it. It simply shows these as 'etc' files and skips over them.

Pitty really, this was the main reason I chose this player.

I've seen lots of discussion about the muzio playing oggs, is there
anybody there who owns a jm300 and is actually playing oggs ? I can't
help think I've juts missed something basic.

== Layout of the PortablePlayers list and Feature matrix ==
It's gone! I've moved this discussion to [[Talk:PortablePlayersv2]]. [[User:Imalone|Imalone]] 10:55, 18 November 2006 (PST)

:Is there something very wrong with those proposals? I mean, is there any reason why (even a simple) feature matrix just could not be applied right now? It would probably solve 'list of top 5 players' problem above too. Just list something basic from the main features, name, size, weight, price, battery (internal, aa, aaa, ..), capasity, flash card type (sd, microsd, ..) , availability (current or discontinued), supported formats, charging (usb or propietary or none). Link to the longer comments. No complicated sorting or anything too fancy. No icons. Name can be a abbreviation to save space, use it as a link to current comments.

== NEXBlack out ==

I got my NEXBlack player today from Frontier Labs. It is a nice gadget with sleek design. They have corrected the occasional snap-sounds that came between tracks and it is overall more usable now. Vorbis-files also play fine, but the current firmware doesn't have Vorbis-tag reader, which is somewhat major drawback. The music selection works through mp3-tags and you can select by album, artist, genre and playlist, but since Vorbis tags won't work you have to select "unordered" to play them. Vorbis-files are all listed in one big list. I hope they either implement a Vorbis-tag reader or revert to old Nex IIe system where you could select by folder in the flash disc. But for the cheap price ($89), it is a good player... waiting for a new firmware..

== Sumvision M18/S1 ==

I've just got the 2GB Sumvision and it plays the OGG files I've tested so far. Should I add it to the list? [[User:Steevc|Steevc]] 04:05, 19 April 2007 (PDT)

== Humble A2 Review ==

Just a blog link [http://www.personal.psu.edu/gsc127/blogs/2007/10/happiness_with_cowon_a2.html to my review of the the Cowon A2]. Thanks, [[User:GChriss|GChriss]] 13:23, 6 November 2007 (PST)

== iRiver e100 ==

[http://reviews.cnet.com/4566-6490_7-0.html?filter=1000036_5260177_ CNet] and [http://www.amazon.com/iRiver-E100-Multimedia-Player-White/dp/B00171UYYS/ref=pd_bbs_sr_5?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1208253617&sr=8-5 Amazon] are saying the iRiver e100 supports Vorbis. I haven't tested it myself. [[User:Mattflaschen|Mattflaschen]] 03:09, 15 April 2008 (PDT)

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2007-06-25T22:42:05Z

Mattflaschen: /* Why Open Media Matters */ clarify this applies to free software

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* No matter your needs, be it music, speech, video, playlists, or slideshows: open media will cover them.
* If you help spread the word, then you will see more support and compatibility in portable players, which will benefit everyone.
* You can buy music or videos online, and they won't be crippled with DRM.
* You can save your bandwidth in case you author podcasts or stream content, and those will have better quality than when using proprietary formats.
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2007-06-25T22:01:14Z

Mattflaschen: /* Why Open Media Matters */ generalize and move up patent point

'''[http://www.spreadopenmedia.com/ Spread Open Media]''' (or SOM) is a project to promote the different Xiph.Org Foundation formats. You may help create or edit content in the official site by making edits in this wiki.

== Why Open Media Matters ==
* You can use, modify, and distribute the media software without needing permission from (or paying royalties to) [[software patent]] holders. This is especially important for [[free software]], which is incompatible with the constraints imposed by patent holders.
* It has equal or better quality compared with formats that stuff DRM up your nose and get you sued in court.
* You can share media files across P2P and different operating systems, and it will work on those computers because the specification of the formats are open.
* No matter your needs, be it music, speech, video, playlists, or slideshows: open media will cover them.
* If you help spread the word, then you will see more support and compatibility in portable players, which will benefit everyone.
* You can buy music or videos online, and they won't be crippled with DRM.
* You can save your bandwidth in case you author podcasts or stream content, and those will have better quality than when using proprietary formats.
* The more people that use open media, the better formats you can expect in the future, so if you use open media you are making the world a little bit of a better place.
* It's one of those little things that make you feel happier.
* We'll lose our job if you don't use open media, and if we lose our job, I'll shoot this little bunny that I'm holding right now. I'M SERIOUS; DON'T MAKE ME KILL THE LITTLE BUNNY.

== Roadmap ==

=== Milestone 0 ===

* Get accounts to key developers
* Fill out this wiki with information from our discussions and slides

=== Milestone 1 ===

* Content, content, content! Seriously.
* Wordpress theme based on mockup by Ivo and Sebastian Kraft's pirate-smile logo

=== Milestone 2 ===

* Prepare initial promotional campaigns.

=== Milestone 3 ===

* Add your point here!

=== Milestone 4 ===

* Add your point here!

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