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2007-10-05T18:34:55Z

DavePlatt: /* YP-U3 */

== YP-T7Z ==

JoshuaRodman wrote regarding the yp-t7z:
:I received such a unit. It plays oggs encodd at -q 4, 5 and 6 without error that I have noticed. However it seems underdocumented. It plays the files in an order which is neither alpha sorted nor numeric sorted, and it does not support ogg tags. -- JoshuaRodman (March 28, 2005)
:I've investigated more. Some music encoded at even -q 5 will break up or cause difficulty. I suspect these pieces have bitrate spikes. As for the ordering, the YP-T7 plays files in 'readdir' order. That is it does not sort the files out of the filesystem at all. In practice, this means it will play the files in the order that you add them to the directory. If you are a windows user dragging and dropping the files onto the player, this problem will not affect you. A linux or possible Mac user may need to do minor scripting to alleviate this issue. --JoshuaRodman (April 13, 2005)
:I thought I came back and clarified this, but don't have hte energy to review the edit history. In any event, there are no problems with OGG playback on my YP-T7z at this time. All symptoms have evaporated with firmware updates or magic. [[User:JoshuaRodman|JoshuaRodman]] 01:27, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

Spaz added for the YP-T7Z:
:After using the newest firmware I have had no issues playing OGG files. Any lockup or playback issues I had experienced went away. --Spaz (Dec 23, 2005)

Ulrich added for the YP-MT6Z:
:I think my manual says the first 8 characters of a filename are considered for sorting. As my files have the "tracknumber" tag, I wrote some Perl script that prepends that number (two digits plus a space) to the track names when being copied onto the player. I'm not sure about decoding problems, but there may be some. I encoded my files at q6 or higher using "oggenc" from Linux. Tags for title and performer are displayed unless you follow the Vorbis specification to create one tag for each performer. However, be aware that default settings have tag display disabled!

:The chip inside seems to be a Sigmatel STMP3400M, natively specified for MP3 with addon codecs.

:It would be great of Samsung Europe would release firmware with release notes (the Korean site has newer firmware, but no English, really!). There's also some inoffical newer firmware around, but also without any release notes. Official firmware is 2.122 (on my player as delivered and on CD and website).

:Recently I decided to remove some Ogg files from the player and add a few new ones. Unfortunately this resulted in some directories (usually structured as <artist>/<album>/<track-number> <track-title>) being unplayable. There's just a message saying "No Entry". Interestingly this happens with directories that did play before removing some files. Newer firmware didn't change anything about that. I suspect that this is caused by either 1) special characters in the file names (I use UTF-8 encoding), 2) special characters in the Vorbis comment, 3) length of file names, 4) number of files in the file system, or 5) amount of free space (my player has just 90kB free now). One symptom is that in Settings->System->About there are fewer files counted than actually exist in the filesystem. And yes, I've checked the filesystem several times. I have contacted German support, and they replied they'll investigate, but they did not ask back about any details (and support doesn't allow to reply).

:With the new inofficial firmware 2.290 I had a few crashes: The player was playing a continuous tone, and the only way to stop it was to remove the battiery for a moment. However as the effect was not repeatable when playing the same file, I can believe that some mobile phone triggered that. The other thing is the fact that my player came without FM radio. The newer firmware has the radio item in firmware, but as soon as I select it, the player will hang until the battery is removed. OK, that's inofficial firmware...
--(Ulrich on 2006-02-02)

::Two questions: 1) are ogg tags not being displayed even when the Tag option is toggle to On in the settings menu? 2) how does it handle -q 4 and -q 6 — is it just -q 5, or is it -q 5 and higher/lower? — [[User:Saxifrage|Saxifrage]] 01:07, 14 Apr 2005 (PDT)

:::I have seen no evidence of vorbis tags being supported; they are not displayed. I have generally encoded at -q 5 as an attempt to stay inside the "supported" bitrate boundaries. I find that the bitrate and breakups are not directly correlated, but somewhat related. This is no surprise if the problem is CPU time exhaustion. I have not found any particular quality encoding to fail either reliably or often. In general, speeds above the stated maximum supported bitrates have seemed to work fine. No lockups of any kind have been encountered. Incidentally, over 90% of my ogg files have been processed by vorbisgain. --JoshuaRodman (July 5, 2005)

I just bought one of these and I'm baffled by its erratic Ogg support. Firmware version 1.541 seems to support tags just fine, though I haven't noticed the alpha-sorting issue (haven't looked). However, I find that it can't play all my Ogg files (freezes when it tries to load the file), and there's nothing systematic that I've found to account for this. It plays some files I encoded [[Jan 29]]-[[Jan 30]], [[2005]], but there are files that don't work before and after that date. The files that work so far were encoded with nominal bitrates of 128 and 192, while others that don't work were at 160. All encodings have used the same program (Grip under Linux). Ogg files that I've encoded with oggenc directly for testing purposes at 160 nominal bitrate work just fine. There's just something about most of my existing files.

I've emailed a support request to Samsung Canada, so I'll report what I find out then. Meanwhile I'm doing a bunch of rips with Grip to test different nominal bitrates. [[User:Saxifrage|Saxifrage]] 10:53, 12 Apr 2005 (PDT)

:Results from my experiments with different nominal bitrates are summarised in this table:
{| align=center border=1
|+YP-T6 Ogg Vorbis support
|-
!   !! Tags
| none || tag* || tag + replaygain || replaygain
|-
!Bitrate (nominal) ||   ||   ||   ||   ||  
|-
| 128
|   || works || works || works || ?
|-
| 160
|   || works || works || '''freezes''' || works
|-
| 192
|   || works || works || works || ?
|}
:<nowiki>* </nowiki>"tag" means just the regular complement of artist, album, title, year, and genre.
:"?" indicates that the case was not tested

:My conclusion is that the Samsung YP-T6 can't handle Ogg Vorbis files encoded at 160 nominal bitrate if [[Wikipedia:ReplayGain|ReplayGain]] tags are applied to the file. Note too that I tested a file without real RG tags, but with the normal tags plus tags with different names than the standard RG tags but with the same name-length and same length of arguments; this was to isolate whether it was a ReplayGain-specific bug or a general tag-handling bug. Thus, I suspect that the problem is a buffer overflow in tag code of the firmware. '''Note''' that I have only tested files encoded with nominal bitrates, not files encoded with oggenc's quality settings.
:The few files in my collection that have worked were encoded at different bitrates (either 128 or 192), but unfortunately the vast majority are 160, and I need ReplayGain to be able to listen to my collection on the PC without constantly changing the volume. As a workaround I may write a script to strip the ReplayGain tags as they're moved to my player, but this rather sucks. — [[User:Saxifrage|Saxifrage]] 12:36, 12 Apr 2005 (PDT)

== YP-T7JZ/T7JX ==

Samsung appears to have model bumped the yp-t7 series with the yp-t7j series. The spec sheet does not mention OGG/Vorbis as a supported file format. This seems a real shame as the t7 worked well. Does anyone have anything more conclusive? [[User:JoshuaRodman|JoshuaRodman]] 08:26, 6 January 2006 (PST)

== MT-6X ==

:I ([[User:Gav|Gav]]) own a Yepp MT-6X and I don't come to the same conclusions. I tried to remove the Gain tags and it didn't improve anything. Here are some tests I made :

{| align=center border=1
|+YP-MT6X Ogg Vorbis support
|-
! Encoder version || Filename || Nominal bitrate || Playback test
|-
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20000508 (1.0 beta 1 or beta 2) || 01 - In Tenebris.ogg || unset (160 kbps) || KO
|-
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20001031 (1.0 beta 3) || 01 - A Day Without Rain.ogg || 160 kbps || KO
|-
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20010225 (1.0 beta 4) || 01 - Sunday Bloody Sunday.ogg || 128 kbps || KO
|-
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20010615 (1.0 rc1) || 01 - Remede.ogg || 128 kbps || KO
|-
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20010813 (1.0 rc2) || 01 - Devil's Haircut.ogg || 192 kbps || OK
|-
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20011231 (1.0 rc3) || 01 - Encore Une Chance.ogg || 112 kbps || OK
|-
|Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20020717 (1.0) || 01 - Inferno (Unleash The Fire).ogg || 160 kbps || KO
|-
|Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20030909 (1.0.1) || 01 - You Will Be a Hot Dancer.ogg || 128 kbps || OK
|-
|}

Yes, a 1.0 file fails... I also tested a 8 second file encoded at q1,q2,...,q10 using 20020717 (1.0) and it worked for every quality ! So not every 1.0-encoded file fails. See [[YeppGavDetails]] for details about the files.

: OK. I've done extensive tests and I can confirm what Saxifrage suggested : there is indeed a buffer overflow in the tag handling ! When the framing bit of the tag header is at offset >= 0x18C, it fails. If it is at exactly 0x18C, it reboots or freezes. If it is at offset > 0x18C, it always freezes. This was tested with firmware 1.101 and vorbis encoder 1.0.

: The file encoded using libVorbis 1.0 in the table above has a too large tag and that's why it fails.

: In summary, the Yepp can only play Vorbis when it is encoded with libVorbis version >= 1.0rc2 AND when the framing bit of the tag header is at offset < 0x18C.

== YP-T6 ==

I've got this model with 256MB of flash memory, and unlike above, I ran into problems when I tried to play very-low-bitrate files (< 64kbps, CD format). I encoded them using [http://www.geocities.jp/aoyoume/aotuv/index.html aoTuV-beta4] experiment version from aoyumi (which creates (or should create) perfectly standard and conforming files), using command-line oggenc under linux. The qualities I used for these problematic files are -q-1 (~45kbps) and -q-2 (~32kbps), and when the player tries to open the file it freezes, but for qualities from -q0 it works perfectly.

Apart from that, I've had no real problem before, using mostly -q6 files from RC3 and 1.0, without tags or with standard ones. Sometimes the sound is distorted a lot for a few tenths of seconds, it seems to be related to bitrate peaks (applauds, etc.).

Hope this will be useful, anyway thanks for the investigations on this player, I also realized the lack of information on this player's ogg support. [[User:Superdupont|Superdupont]] 16:49, 2 Aug 2005 (PDT)

Edit: firmware version: 1.543

The YP-T6 seems to be almost identical to the Trekstor i.Beat Cube.

The YP-T6s sold in the US sports an FM Radio with 16 saved settings and automatic station search. Recording from a radio program to MP3 is possible. At least the German version of the YP-T6 does not have an built-in tuner.

The German web site has moved it from from "MP3 players" to the [http://av.samsung.de/subtype_tva_audiop_mp3_archiv.asp Archived MP3 players] section, while the [http://www.samsung.com/Products/DigitalAudioPlayer/MP3Players/YP_T6ZXAA.asp US] and [http://www.samsung.com/uk/products/digitalaudioplayer/flashmemory/index.asp UK] site lists it as regular model. I don't know if this indicates that Samsung is about to stop production of the T6 or if there have been problems on the German market (like restrictive radio emission laws, see built-in tuner section above).

== YP-T9 ==

The Samsung YP-T9 series supports both, UMS and MTP, depending on the firmware. The devices shipped in the USA and Europe are usually MTP devices, the firmware versions available from Samsung Europe or Samsung US are also MTP only (identifiable by the string 'MTP' in the file name).

However, the devices can be flashed with the firmware from Singapore or Australia: that firmware is UMS and can be downloaded from Samsung Singapore or Samsung Australia (identifiable by the string 'UMS' in the file name). Besides that feature the firmware is the same: even the European languages are supported!

Besides the fact that firmware updates are on the users own risk the only problem left is that there might be different model numbers: for example the European model YP-T9JQB is not listed at Samsung Australia. However, a firmware for the model YP-T9BQB worked without problems (YMMV!).

The upload of the firmware can be done with Linux as well:
$ mtp-sendfile SYSDATA.bin /
$ mtp-sendfile MUON.ROM /

=== Further comments ===

Actually the firmware is available in two different versions: MTP and UMS. Current (May '07) players have 1.67 firmware, with the US version being MTP. Reflashing with UMS firmware (eg file "20070322175558375_YP-T9_V1.67_UMS.zip" from Samsung's download site) allows it to work as USB Mass Storage and recognize .ogg files. See my [http://lwn.net/Articles/234831/ post] on LWN for more detail.
-- [[User:AJWM|AJWM]] 13:58, 17 May 2007 (PDT)

Here's a link to the above firmware: [http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/FM/200703/20070322175558375_YP-T9_V1.67_UMS.zip http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/FM/200703/20070322175558375_YP-T9_V1.67_UMS.zip]
--[[User:AJWM|AJWM]] 18:00, 17 May 2007 (PDT)

== YP-53 ==

I'am not sure what's inside this player. May be it's a STMP3505. With firmware 1.200 it plays Ogg Vorbis, but not at very low bitrates(-q-1 and -q-2).[[User:nostromo|nostromo]] 4 Nov 2005.

Firmware 1.200 is a bit difficult to find, googling by file name (YP-53_V1.200.zip) gets a single relevant result: [http://bluetek.co.kr/service/guide/driver_view.asp?idx=110&tbl_name=download_kr&page=3&qtype=model&query= Korean page with a link to the updater]. If it disappears, contact me ([[User:inejge|inejge]]) via this site ('''E-mail this user''' on the linked page).

The new firmware is much nicer than the previous release (my player came with V1.024):
* It plays OGGs, starting with -q0.
* The main screen is better organized.
* Menus are cleaned up (and with more eye candy).
* Non-ASCII characters in tags are displayed properly (tested with OGG).

'''Note:''' if you are encoding OGGs at -q0, ''don't'' try to set the lower bitrate limit to 64 kb/s -- the player can choke on managed bitrate files. Nominal bitrate is all that counts.

--[[User:Inejge|Inejge]] 06:32, 12 Dec 2005 (PST)

== YP-U1 ==
'''Firmware 2.242:''' Plays Vorbis OK with tag support. Tested with aoTuV beta 4.51 and Xiph.org Vorbis between -q2 and -q8 (mostly at -q5; manual claims support from -q0 to -q10), no lockups so far. Experienced unusual distortion at one point of a particular track (loud, percussive synthetic "thunderclap") at -q5, decreasing with increasing -q value; this appears to be caused by a spike in bitrate, solved by passing encoding options
--managed -b160 -M192
--[[User:Ettlz|ettlz]] 07:35, 25 January 2006 (PST)
:OK, I've experienced a few (very rare) lockups with firmware 2.242, but nothing major. Has anyone tried the new 3.122 firmware on the YP-U1? I've e-mailed Samsung to ask what changes this makes, but the didn't seem to know much. --[[User:Ettlz|Ettlz]] 13:06, 10 November 2006 (PST)

== YP-U2 ==
'''Firmware 1.301:'''
A YP-U2J out of the box, purchased in the US will not support OGG, even though Samsung's web site claims it does for the YP-U2 product home page. There are lots of firmware from other countries that will allow your YP-U2J to support OGG, but it took me a long time to figure out one that did OGG and had a working FM Radio feature. Other firmwares would not include the FM Radio feature or the FM Radio feature would lock up the YP-U2J as soon as it was started. I did find one however that worked. Note that at the time of this post you will have to agree to the following legal question in order to get an OGG-compatible, FM Radio featured YP-U2J. 

''Our Global Download Center provides access to downloadable content for Samsung products or services sold throughout the world. Please note that the contents offered through the Global Download Center may not be suitable for products or services available in your country. Samsung assume no responsibility, and shall not be liable, in connection with whether any such products or services will be appropriate, functional or supported for the Samsung products or services available in your country.'' 

I was successful with the 1.301 firmware version which I obtained via the following method from the samsung.com website: 

1) From a browser go to www.samsung.com 
2) Click on Support, then Download Center. 
3) Select your model by searching for YP-U2JXB. 
4) Note at the present (7/31/2006) there is not a newer offered firmware for this selected model. However there is still the ability to get a firmware release for it. So from this page click on "the global download center" link. 
5) Pop-up windows will open and if you agree to the legal question which is mentioned above then click Accept. 
6) Now narrow down to your model by selecting the following from the scrollable panes from left to right: 
     |TV, Video & Audio| 
     |Digital Audio Player| 
     |Yepp| 
     |YP-U2XB| 
7) In the new page click Firmware. 
8) Click the link for YP-U2XB Firmware upgrade (ver.1.301). 
9) Run the setup.exe from the zip to install the YP-U2 updater software. 
10) Follow the zipped instructions for how to flash the firmware. 

- esterud
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Awesome! Other improvements with version 1.301 are: 
1 It is no longer an MPT device (that I can tell) so you can now load the YP-U2 with drag and drop on Windows XP Explorer. Windows Media Player still works the same. 
2 It fixes the play only in alphabetic ID3 label name, not track order bug. The play order can now be arranged in filename order using numerics - messy playlists no longer required. 
- holymakeral

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This firmware is no longer available from samsung, at least by following the instructions above, browsing from where I am. I called Samsung customer support and was told that Microsoft has made it a criteria for "Janus/ MPP" compliance that portable players sold in the USA must NOT support Ogg playback, so any talk of playing Ogg files on their website is untrue if you buy in the US. Terrible.

- zebedee

This criteria apparently was rescinded in late 2005 after an antitrust judge blew her lid.

- n8evv
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As of 9.14.2006, this firmware is still available via the instructions above. Make sure you follow the "global download center" link near the bottom of the page as mentioned in Step 4. Also, the new firmware makes this a standard USB thumbdrive (not an MPT device), so linux (and windows) recognizes it easily and it does, in fact play ogg. (zebedee is correct if you only consider the stock firmware.) 
- wwonderllama

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If the updater endlessly keeps searching for your hardware, be sure to read the help file in the updater zip file. You must plug in the YP-U2, hold the play button on the top of the device, and use a pin or something to punch the reset button on the end. Keep holding the play button while it updates.

- van

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This firmware also works on the YP-U2JQB/XAA, allowing it to appear as a standard USB thumbdrive, and also fixing the playback order issue that it has. (the actual version of American firmware my player came with was higher than the European version linked above, but the lower European version has better features and less bugs...)

-abbub

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29 September 2006.
I used a 'newer' version on a US model '''YP-U2J ZW'''. Ver. No. '''1.305'''. Again, be sure to 'press' play and 'reset' when the installer searches for the drive. Love that it is a standard USB thumbdrive, and files can be played/organized by folders.

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04 October 2006
Just bought an YP-U2JQB/XAA yesterday and got the "International" YP-U2 firmware flashed without a problem (look at the "help" html document in the firmware updater zip file). Love that it plays OGG and shows up under Linux as a USB mass storage device. Amazing little player.

Two complaints:
* OGG tags don't seem to be working. Has anyone been able to get the player to interpret the OGG tags?
* Doesn't seem to have any way to upload playlists (with the new firmware). Has anyone been able to do this?

-jspiegel

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18 October 2006
Brown Bag Admission: Ogg tags (and id3) work if you go Settings->Display->Tag->On (duh!)
Still haven't found a way to upload playlists... Considering reverse engineering the PLAYLIST file in the SYSTEM directory...

-jspiegel

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31 October 2006
I also just bought an YP-U2JQB/XAA (US model), and successfully updated to the 1.305 firmware. Navigation is so much better! Tell you what though; I found an alternate method of getting at the firmware. Go to www.samsung.com, and select "Australia" in the Country/Region dropdown at the top of the page. Then choose "Support", and enter the model "YP-U2Z". Then click "Firmware", and there it is. No messy agreements or popups.

-overdrive

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2 Nov 2006
YP-U2JQB/XAA 2GB - To get to the 1.301 firmware from the US, I had to go to www.samsung.com, type directly in the search box '''on the front page''' "yp-u2xb firmware". First search result is "Digital Audio Player Yepp YP-U2XB Firmware", this is the one you want. 1.300 and 1.301 firmware are available there. I got 1.301 .

Ogg playback, FM radio works, USB mass storage, all good. However... The unit seems subject to random restarts with this firmware. I never tried it with the factory original (Stupid PlaysForSure!) firmware. It has restarted itself right in the middle of a song, no button presses or anything. When it comes back up, it is in the state that it was when it last started up, IE it forgot about the song it was in the middle of playing when it crashed. This has happened about twice in ~5 hours of use. I'll try the 1.305 when I get a chance. [[User:Kwan3217|Kwan3217]] 08:19, 2 November 2006 (PST)

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November 9, 2006
As jspeigel and Kwan3217 mentioned, the US XAA model will also support this firmware. It changes the functionality significantly. Some things I didn't see mentioned is that it no longer navigates by ID3 tags, but filenames and folders. I wish it used the ID3 tags and paid attention to the track ordering, but I'll take the filenames over alphabetic ID3 navigation anyday. :)

Also, the Playlist funtion in this firmware is essentially the same as the Favorites function in the previous firmware. When you are viewing tracks in a track listing, you can press the user defined key and it will star the track which adds it to your Playlist. Apparently this device only supports a single playlist, but I did notice if you hit the play button on a folder it will dynamically create a playlist out of the files in that folder, so it serves the same funtion as playlists on the old firmware. So, jspeigel, no need to reverse engineer the playlist function. :)

Also, Kwan3217, I had a couple of random restarts with the original firmware, so it may be a hardware or file problem, and as you mentioned, when it restarted, it came back with the volume and track position at the same place it was when I last turned it on, so I assume it writes that info out when it shuts down gracefully.

Anybody looking into hacking the firmware to get something like Rockbox on this player?

hwlester

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November 17, 2006

I purchased a YP-U2JZW/XAA from Target last night (Clearance 39.90!) and thanks to this page was able to download the firmware mentioned, although the new firmware is '''1.351'''. I just finished flashing the update and am happy to report it works great. I haven't tried an OGG file yet, as I don't use OGG much, but I flashed it mainly to enable UMS mode so that I can drag and drop from iTunes for Windows, and it works wonderfully. I do miss the ability to browse via ID3 tags, but Folders/Filenames will have to do until someone can edit the firmware.

I've had no resets so far, maybe 1.351 fixes the reboots.

Thanks for this wiki page!

howiecam

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November 17, 2006

Thanks for the heads-up about the release of 1.351. I've confirmed that this is available via Samsung's Australian support website. I'd kill for a changelog.

-overdrive

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22 December 2006

I read this page with hope...and then crashed-and-burned. I downloaded the firmware updates recommended for YP-U2J (mine is YP-U2JZW/XAA) and followed the play-reset instructions. It crashes Windows every time. Now, I can't get the device to be recognized and I can't install an earlier firmware version. Has anyone else had a problem like this? Has anyone else tried to do this via emulation software? (I'm a Linux person with VMWare to run Windows.)

I'll report back if I have any success recovering from this.

Anne.

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30 December 2006

I got a player with a 1.136 firmware. The player did not work under Linux, or play OGG files. After following your instructions (using 1.351) it worked as a USB drive and played Vorbis files. Just wanted to say thanks. Also just curious, does anyone know why the US version has Org Vorbis disabled, and why the new US Firmware stopped the player from being used as a USB drive?

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22 January 2007

I updated my yp-u2zw-els 1gb with the latest 2.612-eu firmware, hoping to be able to sort the files in a decent way.
No improvement there. So I mailed samsung support about the disability to use tags or filenames.
They actually replied, answering that you have to use the first 5 characters of your filenames to get the sorting done.
DUH! Are they using DOS filenames scheme inside? (5.3=8)
But that is actually correct! So forget about artist or album or trackname,
simply put the tracknumber in front of it. Took me months to finally figure that one out!
BTW, Ogg works fine with that firmware.

Stefkoch.

== urls to the firmware ==

The updates can be found here:

Version 1.300

http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/FM/200604/20060428084712140_U2_ver1300_KOR.zip

Version 1.351

http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/FM/200611/20061113104527718_YP-U2_VER1351_OC_LCD.zip

Both are supposedly the international version despite the "_KOR.zip" at the end of file one.
''I have not installed either of these yet'', I'll post my results later.
-WeFeeling

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I just purchased a YP-U2JZW and the update program was not finding the device. Perhaps this is a stupid error on my part, but the technique I used to get the device to be recognized is the following: hold down reset and play (once the unit is plugged in) and then let go of reset while still holding on to play. This trick allowed the update program to find the device. Additionally, my unit had a more recent firmware 1.360 or something along those lines, however flashing it to the 1.351 fixed all my problems and the device acts as a USB flash drive. So, it appears that they have a more recent firmware out there, but it's just as limited as the old ones. Go with the 1.351.
[[User:Alexkraemer|Alexkraemer]] 23:42, 29 December 2006 (PST)

== More success with 2GB YP-U2J ==

December 12, 2006

I bought a YP-U2JQB/XAA (2GB, USA) yesterday and wanted to get it to work with linux as a USB drive (without MTP). Currently Samsung's Global Downlad Center has the following firmware files for varous YP-U2 models:

v1.300: http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/FM/200604/20060428084712140_U2_ver1300_KOR.zip

v1.351: http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/FM/200611/20061113104527718_YP-U2_VER1351_OC_LCD.zip

v1.352: http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/FM/200611/20061113104441125_YP-U2_VER1352_EU_LCD.zip

v1.353: http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/FM/200611/20061113104441125_YP-U2_VER1353_FRA_LCD.zip

v1.355: http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/FM/200611/20061113104616968_YP-U2_VER1355_CH_LCD.zip

I installed v1.351 on it from a windows computer and it is working fine in linux as a usb storage (UMS) device. My laptop is old and does not have USB 2.0, so v1.351 supports USB 1. I followed the instructions for upgrading the firmware in the html file within the zip file. Ogg files play fine.

- Brishchik
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January 8, 2006

Purchased a Samsung YP-U2JQB/XAA w/firmware version 1.136.876 (all USB ports used were 1.0)

Ubuntu Dapper Drake would not see it. Well, it didn't auto mount and open as a folder. However, I didn't try pressing/holding play and poking reset.

Windows XP would only show it as a portable device and the only way I could get music on it was with Windows Media Player.

I downloaded the above file, '...U2_ver1300_KOR.zip' and just before flashing it, XP allowed me to access it like a thumb drive.

I neglected to copy the files before erasing them (If you saved them, could I get a copy? I'm curious to see what they do.) and putting the downloaded firmware ver. 1.300 on it using XP. I wonder if they allow you to play by Genre or something, but if thats the case, they were probably auto-created by WMP.

Windows sees it as a portable USB drive now and ogg files work, though I didn't test them before.

When I plugged it into the USB extension cord Ubuntu would mount it, but several seconds later it would disappear (repeatedly). Plugging it directly into the same port worked fine, though. Oddly, this doesn't happen with my other usb stuff (mini HD, flash drives, external HD case, etc.)

Radio, mic, and all the settings seem to work. (btw, pressing *USER when listening to a radio preset gives you the option to remove it from the preset list.)

It no longer gives you the option to play by Author/CD/Genre anymore, but hitting play when a folder is selected creates a temporary "playlist" of anything in that folder or in sub folders. So you can play a branch of folders (but not the contents of the folder without it's sub folders). Also, this isn't a playlist that will show up under "Playlist."

It plays in order of file name, rather then the order songs were transferred. Again though, I didn't test this before.

I meant to put the '...YP-U2_VER1351_OC_LCD.zip' firmware on it, but accidentally unzipped & installed the other. Any reason to use the ver1351_OC over ver1300_KOR?

Any complaints I have are very minor and have nothing to do with firmware/software (at this point).

- Saxywolf

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15 February 2007

Samsung's tech support told me tonight that as of late January, the latest firmware corrects the problems with Windows Media Player 11. (The January date obviously is wrong--the firmware version the tech support agent had me download was 1.136, which someone on here reported getting on a new player at the end of December.) Under this (MTP) firmware version, I briefly got the player to work, and when I did, it actually showed up under Removable Drives rather than Portable Devices, meaning I was able to drag and drop under Windows Explorer/My Computer. However, it was showing up as a "Recovery Device", and so I'm not sure it would show up as a removable drive if it were working properly.

I was never able to get the player to work properly on my computer using the MTP firmware: when it was plugged in, it just connected and disconnected itself every five seconds, also showing up as "MTP Device". I got it to work on one computer in a classroom where I teach, but not on my office computer (which for some reason required admin privileges to install it--this may be one big advantage of UMS over MTP). I therefore upgraded it to one of the latest UMS version.

The latest UMS versions will not not allow you to upgrade from the MTP version (at least, not 1.136)--I guess Samsung has decided that if you buy the MTP version, you're stuck with it. However, I was able to flash to one of the older UMS versions, 1.352, and after that I was able to flash to one of the latest UMS versions (2.161). It doesn't seem to matter which UMS version you're upgrading from--I went from 1.352 ("EU") to 2.161 ("OC"--I had originally found this one by telling the support site I was in Australia) without any problem.

Therefore, if you want to change over from MTP to UMS, you should first upgraded to one of the 1.35x UMS versions, then unintall the installer, and upgrade to one of the 2.16x versions. I've included the URL's to these new versions below (I'm sure there's also a Korean version as well--if you want to search for it on the Samsung Global Download Center, the version number should be 2.160).

http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/FM/200702/20070214093822265_Samsung-YP-U2-V2.161-OC.zip

http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/FM/200702/20070214093720765_Samsung-YP-U2-V2.162-EU.zip

http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/FM/200702/20070214093720765_Samsung-YP-U2-V2.163-FR.zip

http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/FM/200702/20070214093720765_Samsung-YP-U2-V2.163-FR.zip

MTKnife

16 February 2007

I had a similar experience to the 15 Feb 07 poster -- I got a player (YP-U2JZW) with the version 1.136 firmware installed. Unfortunately, since this is an MTP firmware, SyncToy would not work to sync my podcasts. I converted to 1.351 ("OC") and then to 2.161 ("OC"), either of which are UMS firmware versions. Unfortunately, the only navigation options for these firmwares are via folder heirarchy or via a playlist (i.e. not by track/artist/album/genre). They also do not include the "favorites" option. But they do allow for deleting files via Settings->System. I didn't notice any other major differences.

I had the same problem with the player showing up as a "Player Recovery Device Class" while I was trying the hold play/press reset trick to get the firmware updater to work. In order to get around this, I plugged in the device and then held play & pressed reset without the firmware updater running. Once Windows XP popped up the "Found New Hardware" wizard, I hit "Next" and allowed the wizard to complete. Only then did I launch the updater, and it worked like a charm. If you try to cancel the "Found New Hardware" wizard, the device will not be recognized by the updater. And if you run the "Found New Hardware" wizard at the same time as the updater, they both seem to hang without making progress.

17 February 2007

Just one addendum: once you change to UMS, if you're in the U.S. you need to remember to go into the Radio Settings to set the FM tuner for USA/Korea (though mine seemed to be working fine before I changed it).

MTKnife

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19 February 2007

Just bought a YP-U2JZW. It came with 1.136, which is the only firmware the Samsung seems to be offering now. In my attempts to install one of the firmwares mentioned above, the updater software would not get past initializing or searching for device, which would leave the device inoperable (recognizable as USB drive but player interface would not turn on). I could flash it back to the 1.136 firmware by unistalling the updater and installing the 1.136 updater. What I did to finally get the firmware to work was use the 1.136 updater and let it recognize the device. Then I copied the binary files from the 1.351 firmware over to the c:\Program Files\Samsung\YP-U2J\ folder (you can check this by clicking the details button on the updater). Only then did I click on start. I check system>setting>about and now have 1.351 installed and the ability to play all my .ogg files. Hope this helps someone who runs up against the same problem as me.

- elpresidente

March 6, 2006
Using 1.351 on a YPU2J, the player sorts files by MP3 tags (title?) instead of by filename. Very annoying for my use. Anyone have a fix. Is there some hidden setting, or do I have to find different firmware?

Thanks,

M-K

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14 March 2007

I bought a YP-U2JQB/XAA; and here's what I had to do to get non-crippled firmware installed after several hours of trying.

The latest US firmware updater is necessary. I went to Samsung's website, searched for 'YP-U2JQB/XAA firmware', and downloaded the installer.

Downloaded the 2.162-EU installer from the link above (http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/FM/200702/20070214093720765_Samsung-YP-U2-V2.162-EU.zip)

Install the latest US firmware updater.

Start the firmware update process. In my case the dialog box with the progress bars said that the current firmware version is 1.136, and the version to be installed is 1.136. Fortunately it looks like the messy business of using three hands to hold the 'play' button, push the reset button with a tiny pin, and start the firmware installer all at the same time, isn't necessary (or at least wasn't in my case).

Don't install the firmware yet. Take the files out of the Binaries directory of the v2.162 zipfile, and put them in place of the same files for the 1.136 installer (probably under C:\Documents and Settings\Samsung\YP-U2\). You *must* do this after the installer has recognized the device, but before the firmware is actually installed. It doesn't seem to work otherwise.

Now continue the firmware update process. This should work.

My Jens of Sweden MP-400 (no longer available unfortunately) does the same things as this device (albeit with less capacity), in 2/3rds the size, with far more configurability and a better constructed case. I'd skip the Samsung device unless you really need something this small and can't find a better alternative (check eBay for Jens of Sweden's older players).
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I followed the steps from the previous post and it worked like a charm. I thought my player was dead. They key, as stated above, it to get the recover class installed first and they launch the updater. One note, usually the files are located in c:\program files\samsun\yp-u2. I believe there was a type above (c:\documents and settings vs c:\program files). Non the less, the last post was very, very helpful. Thanks guys.
- Keith
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9 May 2007

I just noticed the new 2.162 firmware. Does anyone know if there are any real functional differences between 2.162 (UMS) and the old 1.351 (UMS)? Is there any reason to upgrade?

-jspiegel
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I had varying success with what is posted here. I got the device to function like a drive but lost my FM radio function. I was willing to live with that but decided to dig a little further. Going to the Samsung Hong Kong site I was able to find the version 2.165. Don't worry about matching model numbers; just pick the play that looks like yours. I found this version gave me the right functionality and the FM tuner. Vorbis OGG works too. I followed the steps of, attach the drive, put it into recovery mode, then load the installation software. The Samsung global download site suggested here only offered version 1.136. BTW, while I did the firmware on a computer with XP, I now regularly use it on a Windows 2000 computer.

-kozel 14 May 2007
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2007 Augus 18

I just bought a refurbished YP-U2J or YP-U2JQB (the first name is printed on the case, the second is printed on a stick-on label).

The firmware is 1.136 and it does not support UMS. I wish to update to the latest that supports UMS.

How can I tell which versions will work with my player? Is mine the same as YP-U2JQB/XAA? Looking at the Australian download centre, there is only firmware for the YP-U2X and the YP-U2Z. Google tells me that the X has 512M of flash and the Z has 1G. My player has 2G. So neither seems like a proper match.

The Australian site offers 2.161 for Win 98/2K/XP user and 2.211 for Win 2000/XP/Vista users. Both models get the same firmware version; at least for 2.211, both .zip files are identical. Version suffix OC_th. "common language (SOUTH AMERICA, ASIA PACIFIC, MIDDLE EAST, AFRICA, MEXICO, INDIA, JAPAN)"

The Singapore site has more models but the same firmware version numbers as Australia.

The United Kingdom site offers 2.162 and 2.212. Version suffix EU (Europe?). "common language (list of lots of European countries and Swaziland but not France)".

The Hong Kong site offers 2.215. Version suffix CH (Chinese?). "common language (CHINA, HONG KONG, TAIWAN)"

I'm going to go with OC_th but I wonder if the EU version would be better.
[[User:Hugh|Hugh]] 22:15, 18 August 2007 (PDT)
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kozel 29 August 2007

I just bought another player, a refurb 2gb, sticker says YP-U2JQB. I went to the Hong Kong English web site and picked the model YP-U2ZB and downloaded the 2.165 firmware and it installed fine and it's in English. I subsequently went back and downloaded the 2.215 firmware and installed that over the 2.165 and that works fine as well. The only issue with installing the 2.215 firmware is that I didn't have to put the unit into recovery to start the process; but after an inordinate long time of repeating start to end green progress bar display, it looks like the unit put itself into recovery mode and then the install completed. I thought it was in a loop and I was afraid to interrupt it and just let it run. You may want to place the unit into recovery mode before executing the upgrade software. If you are upgrading from the standard US firmware, you will have to put the unit into recovery anyway. BTW, while I did the firmware on an XP, the drive is easily recognized on Win 2000 after the upgrade.

== How bout Windows 2000 Pro ? ==

Any hope of this device working on Windows 2000 Pro ??

all the computers at my work run Win 2K - and this is my primary place I would use it. I put it in and it came up and tried to install it auto - then had me restart. Now nothing - it won't show up in my computer or anything. ??

== YP-U3 ==

Dave Platt wrote about the YP-U3: bought one in September 2007. So far it has played my Vorbis files flawlessly - I've used -q3 (averaging around 100kbit/second) and -q6 (192kbit/second nominal). Track switching is not gapless but is only a couple of tenths of a second. The US version is MTP rather than UMS, so I had to download and install libmtp and Amarok and tweak my Linux udev configuration to be able to see and access the device. Vorbis tags are correctly displayed during playback, and Amarok correctly extracts the tag information and feeds it to the YP-U3 for indexing purposes when the tracks are downloaded. Doesn't seem to be possible to re-flash it with the "universal" international firmware (odd-numbered versions) which are UMS-based. I've read reports which suggest that the UMS versions will display Vorbis tags during playback but won't extract them from the files for indexing purposes, which would make the player harder to use with Vorbis tracks!

== YP-C1 X ==

I'm n8evv and I have one. It plays 160 kbit/sec vorbis, but not 45 kbit/sec. Need to test in between, and to see if it's the age of the encoder or the bitrate. (As disks got bigger, I bumped up my bitrate.) Play order is unclear and seems to jump between folders. The 45 kbit/sec tracks are just skipped. I don't use the bundled Windows software; I mount the device as a Linux disk as /dev/sda1.

My machine came with 2.201 firmware. Samsung offers 2.301 firmware as of 12 Jan 2007, but doesn't offer any backlevel firmware so I'm nervous about changing anything. There are no firmware release notes.

== YP-F2J ==

After having success with the firmware upgrading instructions listed elsewhere on this page for my YP-U2JQB/XAA, I bought a YP-F2JXB/XAA for my wife. I was originally successful upgrading it to the YP-F2Z firmware v1.503, but that lost the radio. I then successfully [up|down]graded to the YP-F2X v1.451 firmware with radio, playlist and all. 
The tricky part is getting into the "recovery mode". The reset button is covered by the included USB cable. I had to make a little tool, bending the tip of a pin with a pair of needle nose pliers.

== OGG disease ==

Guys, we of Xiph really appreciate all the work of every one of you that is collecting info on the many hardware players out there, but personally, I would appreciate if you would stop saying OGG; it's not an acronym. Actually, do not mention Ogg just by itself: either use Ogg Vorbis, or just Vorbis.

There's so many formats using the Ogg container that not making clear that Ogg != Vorbis will only cause problems and confusion. Please keep that in mind.--[[User:Saoshyant|Saoshyant]] 07:11, 21 February 2007 (PST)

Talk:PortablePlayers/SamsungYepp

2007-10-05T18:33:55Z

DavePlatt:

== YP-T7Z ==

JoshuaRodman wrote regarding the yp-t7z:
:I received such a unit. It plays oggs encodd at -q 4, 5 and 6 without error that I have noticed. However it seems underdocumented. It plays the files in an order which is neither alpha sorted nor numeric sorted, and it does not support ogg tags. -- JoshuaRodman (March 28, 2005)
:I've investigated more. Some music encoded at even -q 5 will break up or cause difficulty. I suspect these pieces have bitrate spikes. As for the ordering, the YP-T7 plays files in 'readdir' order. That is it does not sort the files out of the filesystem at all. In practice, this means it will play the files in the order that you add them to the directory. If you are a windows user dragging and dropping the files onto the player, this problem will not affect you. A linux or possible Mac user may need to do minor scripting to alleviate this issue. --JoshuaRodman (April 13, 2005)
:I thought I came back and clarified this, but don't have hte energy to review the edit history. In any event, there are no problems with OGG playback on my YP-T7z at this time. All symptoms have evaporated with firmware updates or magic. [[User:JoshuaRodman|JoshuaRodman]] 01:27, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

Spaz added for the YP-T7Z:
:After using the newest firmware I have had no issues playing OGG files. Any lockup or playback issues I had experienced went away. --Spaz (Dec 23, 2005)

Ulrich added for the YP-MT6Z:
:I think my manual says the first 8 characters of a filename are considered for sorting. As my files have the "tracknumber" tag, I wrote some Perl script that prepends that number (two digits plus a space) to the track names when being copied onto the player. I'm not sure about decoding problems, but there may be some. I encoded my files at q6 or higher using "oggenc" from Linux. Tags for title and performer are displayed unless you follow the Vorbis specification to create one tag for each performer. However, be aware that default settings have tag display disabled!

:The chip inside seems to be a Sigmatel STMP3400M, natively specified for MP3 with addon codecs.

:It would be great of Samsung Europe would release firmware with release notes (the Korean site has newer firmware, but no English, really!). There's also some inoffical newer firmware around, but also without any release notes. Official firmware is 2.122 (on my player as delivered and on CD and website).

:Recently I decided to remove some Ogg files from the player and add a few new ones. Unfortunately this resulted in some directories (usually structured as <artist>/<album>/<track-number> <track-title>) being unplayable. There's just a message saying "No Entry". Interestingly this happens with directories that did play before removing some files. Newer firmware didn't change anything about that. I suspect that this is caused by either 1) special characters in the file names (I use UTF-8 encoding), 2) special characters in the Vorbis comment, 3) length of file names, 4) number of files in the file system, or 5) amount of free space (my player has just 90kB free now). One symptom is that in Settings->System->About there are fewer files counted than actually exist in the filesystem. And yes, I've checked the filesystem several times. I have contacted German support, and they replied they'll investigate, but they did not ask back about any details (and support doesn't allow to reply).

:With the new inofficial firmware 2.290 I had a few crashes: The player was playing a continuous tone, and the only way to stop it was to remove the battiery for a moment. However as the effect was not repeatable when playing the same file, I can believe that some mobile phone triggered that. The other thing is the fact that my player came without FM radio. The newer firmware has the radio item in firmware, but as soon as I select it, the player will hang until the battery is removed. OK, that's inofficial firmware...
--(Ulrich on 2006-02-02)

::Two questions: 1) are ogg tags not being displayed even when the Tag option is toggle to On in the settings menu? 2) how does it handle -q 4 and -q 6 — is it just -q 5, or is it -q 5 and higher/lower? — [[User:Saxifrage|Saxifrage]] 01:07, 14 Apr 2005 (PDT)

:::I have seen no evidence of vorbis tags being supported; they are not displayed. I have generally encoded at -q 5 as an attempt to stay inside the "supported" bitrate boundaries. I find that the bitrate and breakups are not directly correlated, but somewhat related. This is no surprise if the problem is CPU time exhaustion. I have not found any particular quality encoding to fail either reliably or often. In general, speeds above the stated maximum supported bitrates have seemed to work fine. No lockups of any kind have been encountered. Incidentally, over 90% of my ogg files have been processed by vorbisgain. --JoshuaRodman (July 5, 2005)

I just bought one of these and I'm baffled by its erratic Ogg support. Firmware version 1.541 seems to support tags just fine, though I haven't noticed the alpha-sorting issue (haven't looked). However, I find that it can't play all my Ogg files (freezes when it tries to load the file), and there's nothing systematic that I've found to account for this. It plays some files I encoded [[Jan 29]]-[[Jan 30]], [[2005]], but there are files that don't work before and after that date. The files that work so far were encoded with nominal bitrates of 128 and 192, while others that don't work were at 160. All encodings have used the same program (Grip under Linux). Ogg files that I've encoded with oggenc directly for testing purposes at 160 nominal bitrate work just fine. There's just something about most of my existing files.

I've emailed a support request to Samsung Canada, so I'll report what I find out then. Meanwhile I'm doing a bunch of rips with Grip to test different nominal bitrates. [[User:Saxifrage|Saxifrage]] 10:53, 12 Apr 2005 (PDT)

:Results from my experiments with different nominal bitrates are summarised in this table:
{| align=center border=1
|+YP-T6 Ogg Vorbis support
|-
!   !! Tags
| none || tag* || tag + replaygain || replaygain
|-
!Bitrate (nominal) ||   ||   ||   ||   ||  
|-
| 128
|   || works || works || works || ?
|-
| 160
|   || works || works || '''freezes''' || works
|-
| 192
|   || works || works || works || ?
|}
:<nowiki>* </nowiki>"tag" means just the regular complement of artist, album, title, year, and genre.
:"?" indicates that the case was not tested

:My conclusion is that the Samsung YP-T6 can't handle Ogg Vorbis files encoded at 160 nominal bitrate if [[Wikipedia:ReplayGain|ReplayGain]] tags are applied to the file. Note too that I tested a file without real RG tags, but with the normal tags plus tags with different names than the standard RG tags but with the same name-length and same length of arguments; this was to isolate whether it was a ReplayGain-specific bug or a general tag-handling bug. Thus, I suspect that the problem is a buffer overflow in tag code of the firmware. '''Note''' that I have only tested files encoded with nominal bitrates, not files encoded with oggenc's quality settings.
:The few files in my collection that have worked were encoded at different bitrates (either 128 or 192), but unfortunately the vast majority are 160, and I need ReplayGain to be able to listen to my collection on the PC without constantly changing the volume. As a workaround I may write a script to strip the ReplayGain tags as they're moved to my player, but this rather sucks. — [[User:Saxifrage|Saxifrage]] 12:36, 12 Apr 2005 (PDT)

== YP-T7JZ/T7JX ==

Samsung appears to have model bumped the yp-t7 series with the yp-t7j series. The spec sheet does not mention OGG/Vorbis as a supported file format. This seems a real shame as the t7 worked well. Does anyone have anything more conclusive? [[User:JoshuaRodman|JoshuaRodman]] 08:26, 6 January 2006 (PST)

== MT-6X ==

:I ([[User:Gav|Gav]]) own a Yepp MT-6X and I don't come to the same conclusions. I tried to remove the Gain tags and it didn't improve anything. Here are some tests I made :

{| align=center border=1
|+YP-MT6X Ogg Vorbis support
|-
! Encoder version || Filename || Nominal bitrate || Playback test
|-
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20000508 (1.0 beta 1 or beta 2) || 01 - In Tenebris.ogg || unset (160 kbps) || KO
|-
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20001031 (1.0 beta 3) || 01 - A Day Without Rain.ogg || 160 kbps || KO
|-
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20010225 (1.0 beta 4) || 01 - Sunday Bloody Sunday.ogg || 128 kbps || KO
|-
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20010615 (1.0 rc1) || 01 - Remede.ogg || 128 kbps || KO
|-
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20010813 (1.0 rc2) || 01 - Devil's Haircut.ogg || 192 kbps || OK
|-
|Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20011231 (1.0 rc3) || 01 - Encore Une Chance.ogg || 112 kbps || OK
|-
|Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20020717 (1.0) || 01 - Inferno (Unleash The Fire).ogg || 160 kbps || KO
|-
|Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20030909 (1.0.1) || 01 - You Will Be a Hot Dancer.ogg || 128 kbps || OK
|-
|}

Yes, a 1.0 file fails... I also tested a 8 second file encoded at q1,q2,...,q10 using 20020717 (1.0) and it worked for every quality ! So not every 1.0-encoded file fails. See [[YeppGavDetails]] for details about the files.

: OK. I've done extensive tests and I can confirm what Saxifrage suggested : there is indeed a buffer overflow in the tag handling ! When the framing bit of the tag header is at offset >= 0x18C, it fails. If it is at exactly 0x18C, it reboots or freezes. If it is at offset > 0x18C, it always freezes. This was tested with firmware 1.101 and vorbis encoder 1.0.

: The file encoded using libVorbis 1.0 in the table above has a too large tag and that's why it fails.

: In summary, the Yepp can only play Vorbis when it is encoded with libVorbis version >= 1.0rc2 AND when the framing bit of the tag header is at offset < 0x18C.

== YP-T6 ==

I've got this model with 256MB of flash memory, and unlike above, I ran into problems when I tried to play very-low-bitrate files (< 64kbps, CD format). I encoded them using [http://www.geocities.jp/aoyoume/aotuv/index.html aoTuV-beta4] experiment version from aoyumi (which creates (or should create) perfectly standard and conforming files), using command-line oggenc under linux. The qualities I used for these problematic files are -q-1 (~45kbps) and -q-2 (~32kbps), and when the player tries to open the file it freezes, but for qualities from -q0 it works perfectly.

Apart from that, I've had no real problem before, using mostly -q6 files from RC3 and 1.0, without tags or with standard ones. Sometimes the sound is distorted a lot for a few tenths of seconds, it seems to be related to bitrate peaks (applauds, etc.).

Hope this will be useful, anyway thanks for the investigations on this player, I also realized the lack of information on this player's ogg support. [[User:Superdupont|Superdupont]] 16:49, 2 Aug 2005 (PDT)

Edit: firmware version: 1.543

The YP-T6 seems to be almost identical to the Trekstor i.Beat Cube.

The YP-T6s sold in the US sports an FM Radio with 16 saved settings and automatic station search. Recording from a radio program to MP3 is possible. At least the German version of the YP-T6 does not have an built-in tuner.

The German web site has moved it from from "MP3 players" to the [http://av.samsung.de/subtype_tva_audiop_mp3_archiv.asp Archived MP3 players] section, while the [http://www.samsung.com/Products/DigitalAudioPlayer/MP3Players/YP_T6ZXAA.asp US] and [http://www.samsung.com/uk/products/digitalaudioplayer/flashmemory/index.asp UK] site lists it as regular model. I don't know if this indicates that Samsung is about to stop production of the T6 or if there have been problems on the German market (like restrictive radio emission laws, see built-in tuner section above).

== YP-T9 ==

The Samsung YP-T9 series supports both, UMS and MTP, depending on the firmware. The devices shipped in the USA and Europe are usually MTP devices, the firmware versions available from Samsung Europe or Samsung US are also MTP only (identifiable by the string 'MTP' in the file name).

However, the devices can be flashed with the firmware from Singapore or Australia: that firmware is UMS and can be downloaded from Samsung Singapore or Samsung Australia (identifiable by the string 'UMS' in the file name). Besides that feature the firmware is the same: even the European languages are supported!

Besides the fact that firmware updates are on the users own risk the only problem left is that there might be different model numbers: for example the European model YP-T9JQB is not listed at Samsung Australia. However, a firmware for the model YP-T9BQB worked without problems (YMMV!).

The upload of the firmware can be done with Linux as well:
$ mtp-sendfile SYSDATA.bin /
$ mtp-sendfile MUON.ROM /

=== Further comments ===

Actually the firmware is available in two different versions: MTP and UMS. Current (May '07) players have 1.67 firmware, with the US version being MTP. Reflashing with UMS firmware (eg file "20070322175558375_YP-T9_V1.67_UMS.zip" from Samsung's download site) allows it to work as USB Mass Storage and recognize .ogg files. See my [http://lwn.net/Articles/234831/ post] on LWN for more detail.
-- [[User:AJWM|AJWM]] 13:58, 17 May 2007 (PDT)

Here's a link to the above firmware: [http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/FM/200703/20070322175558375_YP-T9_V1.67_UMS.zip http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/FM/200703/20070322175558375_YP-T9_V1.67_UMS.zip]
--[[User:AJWM|AJWM]] 18:00, 17 May 2007 (PDT)

== YP-53 ==

I'am not sure what's inside this player. May be it's a STMP3505. With firmware 1.200 it plays Ogg Vorbis, but not at very low bitrates(-q-1 and -q-2).[[User:nostromo|nostromo]] 4 Nov 2005.

Firmware 1.200 is a bit difficult to find, googling by file name (YP-53_V1.200.zip) gets a single relevant result: [http://bluetek.co.kr/service/guide/driver_view.asp?idx=110&tbl_name=download_kr&page=3&qtype=model&query= Korean page with a link to the updater]. If it disappears, contact me ([[User:inejge|inejge]]) via this site ('''E-mail this user''' on the linked page).

The new firmware is much nicer than the previous release (my player came with V1.024):
* It plays OGGs, starting with -q0.
* The main screen is better organized.
* Menus are cleaned up (and with more eye candy).
* Non-ASCII characters in tags are displayed properly (tested with OGG).

'''Note:''' if you are encoding OGGs at -q0, ''don't'' try to set the lower bitrate limit to 64 kb/s -- the player can choke on managed bitrate files. Nominal bitrate is all that counts.

--[[User:Inejge|Inejge]] 06:32, 12 Dec 2005 (PST)

== YP-U1 ==
'''Firmware 2.242:''' Plays Vorbis OK with tag support. Tested with aoTuV beta 4.51 and Xiph.org Vorbis between -q2 and -q8 (mostly at -q5; manual claims support from -q0 to -q10), no lockups so far. Experienced unusual distortion at one point of a particular track (loud, percussive synthetic "thunderclap") at -q5, decreasing with increasing -q value; this appears to be caused by a spike in bitrate, solved by passing encoding options
--managed -b160 -M192
--[[User:Ettlz|ettlz]] 07:35, 25 January 2006 (PST)
:OK, I've experienced a few (very rare) lockups with firmware 2.242, but nothing major. Has anyone tried the new 3.122 firmware on the YP-U1? I've e-mailed Samsung to ask what changes this makes, but the didn't seem to know much. --[[User:Ettlz|Ettlz]] 13:06, 10 November 2006 (PST)

== YP-U2 ==
'''Firmware 1.301:'''
A YP-U2J out of the box, purchased in the US will not support OGG, even though Samsung's web site claims it does for the YP-U2 product home page. There are lots of firmware from other countries that will allow your YP-U2J to support OGG, but it took me a long time to figure out one that did OGG and had a working FM Radio feature. Other firmwares would not include the FM Radio feature or the FM Radio feature would lock up the YP-U2J as soon as it was started. I did find one however that worked. Note that at the time of this post you will have to agree to the following legal question in order to get an OGG-compatible, FM Radio featured YP-U2J. 

''Our Global Download Center provides access to downloadable content for Samsung products or services sold throughout the world. Please note that the contents offered through the Global Download Center may not be suitable for products or services available in your country. Samsung assume no responsibility, and shall not be liable, in connection with whether any such products or services will be appropriate, functional or supported for the Samsung products or services available in your country.'' 

I was successful with the 1.301 firmware version which I obtained via the following method from the samsung.com website: 

1) From a browser go to www.samsung.com 
2) Click on Support, then Download Center. 
3) Select your model by searching for YP-U2JXB. 
4) Note at the present (7/31/2006) there is not a newer offered firmware for this selected model. However there is still the ability to get a firmware release for it. So from this page click on "the global download center" link. 
5) Pop-up windows will open and if you agree to the legal question which is mentioned above then click Accept. 
6) Now narrow down to your model by selecting the following from the scrollable panes from left to right: 
     |TV, Video & Audio| 
     |Digital Audio Player| 
     |Yepp| 
     |YP-U2XB| 
7) In the new page click Firmware. 
8) Click the link for YP-U2XB Firmware upgrade (ver.1.301). 
9) Run the setup.exe from the zip to install the YP-U2 updater software. 
10) Follow the zipped instructions for how to flash the firmware. 

- esterud
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Awesome! Other improvements with version 1.301 are: 
1 It is no longer an MPT device (that I can tell) so you can now load the YP-U2 with drag and drop on Windows XP Explorer. Windows Media Player still works the same. 
2 It fixes the play only in alphabetic ID3 label name, not track order bug. The play order can now be arranged in filename order using numerics - messy playlists no longer required. 
- holymakeral

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This firmware is no longer available from samsung, at least by following the instructions above, browsing from where I am. I called Samsung customer support and was told that Microsoft has made it a criteria for "Janus/ MPP" compliance that portable players sold in the USA must NOT support Ogg playback, so any talk of playing Ogg files on their website is untrue if you buy in the US. Terrible.

- zebedee

This criteria apparently was rescinded in late 2005 after an antitrust judge blew her lid.

- n8evv
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As of 9.14.2006, this firmware is still available via the instructions above. Make sure you follow the "global download center" link near the bottom of the page as mentioned in Step 4. Also, the new firmware makes this a standard USB thumbdrive (not an MPT device), so linux (and windows) recognizes it easily and it does, in fact play ogg. (zebedee is correct if you only consider the stock firmware.) 
- wwonderllama

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If the updater endlessly keeps searching for your hardware, be sure to read the help file in the updater zip file. You must plug in the YP-U2, hold the play button on the top of the device, and use a pin or something to punch the reset button on the end. Keep holding the play button while it updates.

- van

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This firmware also works on the YP-U2JQB/XAA, allowing it to appear as a standard USB thumbdrive, and also fixing the playback order issue that it has. (the actual version of American firmware my player came with was higher than the European version linked above, but the lower European version has better features and less bugs...)

-abbub

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29 September 2006.
I used a 'newer' version on a US model '''YP-U2J ZW'''. Ver. No. '''1.305'''. Again, be sure to 'press' play and 'reset' when the installer searches for the drive. Love that it is a standard USB thumbdrive, and files can be played/organized by folders.

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04 October 2006
Just bought an YP-U2JQB/XAA yesterday and got the "International" YP-U2 firmware flashed without a problem (look at the "help" html document in the firmware updater zip file). Love that it plays OGG and shows up under Linux as a USB mass storage device. Amazing little player.

Two complaints:
* OGG tags don't seem to be working. Has anyone been able to get the player to interpret the OGG tags?
* Doesn't seem to have any way to upload playlists (with the new firmware). Has anyone been able to do this?

-jspiegel

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18 October 2006
Brown Bag Admission: Ogg tags (and id3) work if you go Settings->Display->Tag->On (duh!)
Still haven't found a way to upload playlists... Considering reverse engineering the PLAYLIST file in the SYSTEM directory...

-jspiegel

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31 October 2006
I also just bought an YP-U2JQB/XAA (US model), and successfully updated to the 1.305 firmware. Navigation is so much better! Tell you what though; I found an alternate method of getting at the firmware. Go to www.samsung.com, and select "Australia" in the Country/Region dropdown at the top of the page. Then choose "Support", and enter the model "YP-U2Z". Then click "Firmware", and there it is. No messy agreements or popups.

-overdrive

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2 Nov 2006
YP-U2JQB/XAA 2GB - To get to the 1.301 firmware from the US, I had to go to www.samsung.com, type directly in the search box '''on the front page''' "yp-u2xb firmware". First search result is "Digital Audio Player Yepp YP-U2XB Firmware", this is the one you want. 1.300 and 1.301 firmware are available there. I got 1.301 .

Ogg playback, FM radio works, USB mass storage, all good. However... The unit seems subject to random restarts with this firmware. I never tried it with the factory original (Stupid PlaysForSure!) firmware. It has restarted itself right in the middle of a song, no button presses or anything. When it comes back up, it is in the state that it was when it last started up, IE it forgot about the song it was in the middle of playing when it crashed. This has happened about twice in ~5 hours of use. I'll try the 1.305 when I get a chance. [[User:Kwan3217|Kwan3217]] 08:19, 2 November 2006 (PST)

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November 9, 2006
As jspeigel and Kwan3217 mentioned, the US XAA model will also support this firmware. It changes the functionality significantly. Some things I didn't see mentioned is that it no longer navigates by ID3 tags, but filenames and folders. I wish it used the ID3 tags and paid attention to the track ordering, but I'll take the filenames over alphabetic ID3 navigation anyday. :)

Also, the Playlist funtion in this firmware is essentially the same as the Favorites function in the previous firmware. When you are viewing tracks in a track listing, you can press the user defined key and it will star the track which adds it to your Playlist. Apparently this device only supports a single playlist, but I did notice if you hit the play button on a folder it will dynamically create a playlist out of the files in that folder, so it serves the same funtion as playlists on the old firmware. So, jspeigel, no need to reverse engineer the playlist function. :)

Also, Kwan3217, I had a couple of random restarts with the original firmware, so it may be a hardware or file problem, and as you mentioned, when it restarted, it came back with the volume and track position at the same place it was when I last turned it on, so I assume it writes that info out when it shuts down gracefully.

Anybody looking into hacking the firmware to get something like Rockbox on this player?

hwlester

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November 17, 2006

I purchased a YP-U2JZW/XAA from Target last night (Clearance 39.90!) and thanks to this page was able to download the firmware mentioned, although the new firmware is '''1.351'''. I just finished flashing the update and am happy to report it works great. I haven't tried an OGG file yet, as I don't use OGG much, but I flashed it mainly to enable UMS mode so that I can drag and drop from iTunes for Windows, and it works wonderfully. I do miss the ability to browse via ID3 tags, but Folders/Filenames will have to do until someone can edit the firmware.

I've had no resets so far, maybe 1.351 fixes the reboots.

Thanks for this wiki page!

howiecam

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November 17, 2006

Thanks for the heads-up about the release of 1.351. I've confirmed that this is available via Samsung's Australian support website. I'd kill for a changelog.

-overdrive

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22 December 2006

I read this page with hope...and then crashed-and-burned. I downloaded the firmware updates recommended for YP-U2J (mine is YP-U2JZW/XAA) and followed the play-reset instructions. It crashes Windows every time. Now, I can't get the device to be recognized and I can't install an earlier firmware version. Has anyone else had a problem like this? Has anyone else tried to do this via emulation software? (I'm a Linux person with VMWare to run Windows.)

I'll report back if I have any success recovering from this.

Anne.

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30 December 2006

I got a player with a 1.136 firmware. The player did not work under Linux, or play OGG files. After following your instructions (using 1.351) it worked as a USB drive and played Vorbis files. Just wanted to say thanks. Also just curious, does anyone know why the US version has Org Vorbis disabled, and why the new US Firmware stopped the player from being used as a USB drive?

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22 January 2007

I updated my yp-u2zw-els 1gb with the latest 2.612-eu firmware, hoping to be able to sort the files in a decent way.
No improvement there. So I mailed samsung support about the disability to use tags or filenames.
They actually replied, answering that you have to use the first 5 characters of your filenames to get the sorting done.
DUH! Are they using DOS filenames scheme inside? (5.3=8)
But that is actually correct! So forget about artist or album or trackname,
simply put the tracknumber in front of it. Took me months to finally figure that one out!
BTW, Ogg works fine with that firmware.

Stefkoch.

== urls to the firmware ==

The updates can be found here:

Version 1.300

http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/FM/200604/20060428084712140_U2_ver1300_KOR.zip

Version 1.351

http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/FM/200611/20061113104527718_YP-U2_VER1351_OC_LCD.zip

Both are supposedly the international version despite the "_KOR.zip" at the end of file one.
''I have not installed either of these yet'', I'll post my results later.
-WeFeeling

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I just purchased a YP-U2JZW and the update program was not finding the device. Perhaps this is a stupid error on my part, but the technique I used to get the device to be recognized is the following: hold down reset and play (once the unit is plugged in) and then let go of reset while still holding on to play. This trick allowed the update program to find the device. Additionally, my unit had a more recent firmware 1.360 or something along those lines, however flashing it to the 1.351 fixed all my problems and the device acts as a USB flash drive. So, it appears that they have a more recent firmware out there, but it's just as limited as the old ones. Go with the 1.351.
[[User:Alexkraemer|Alexkraemer]] 23:42, 29 December 2006 (PST)

== More success with 2GB YP-U2J ==

December 12, 2006

I bought a YP-U2JQB/XAA (2GB, USA) yesterday and wanted to get it to work with linux as a USB drive (without MTP). Currently Samsung's Global Downlad Center has the following firmware files for varous YP-U2 models:

v1.300: http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/FM/200604/20060428084712140_U2_ver1300_KOR.zip

v1.351: http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/FM/200611/20061113104527718_YP-U2_VER1351_OC_LCD.zip

v1.352: http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/FM/200611/20061113104441125_YP-U2_VER1352_EU_LCD.zip

v1.353: http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/FM/200611/20061113104441125_YP-U2_VER1353_FRA_LCD.zip

v1.355: http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/FM/200611/20061113104616968_YP-U2_VER1355_CH_LCD.zip

I installed v1.351 on it from a windows computer and it is working fine in linux as a usb storage (UMS) device. My laptop is old and does not have USB 2.0, so v1.351 supports USB 1. I followed the instructions for upgrading the firmware in the html file within the zip file. Ogg files play fine.

- Brishchik
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January 8, 2006

Purchased a Samsung YP-U2JQB/XAA w/firmware version 1.136.876 (all USB ports used were 1.0)

Ubuntu Dapper Drake would not see it. Well, it didn't auto mount and open as a folder. However, I didn't try pressing/holding play and poking reset.

Windows XP would only show it as a portable device and the only way I could get music on it was with Windows Media Player.

I downloaded the above file, '...U2_ver1300_KOR.zip' and just before flashing it, XP allowed me to access it like a thumb drive.

I neglected to copy the files before erasing them (If you saved them, could I get a copy? I'm curious to see what they do.) and putting the downloaded firmware ver. 1.300 on it using XP. I wonder if they allow you to play by Genre or something, but if thats the case, they were probably auto-created by WMP.

Windows sees it as a portable USB drive now and ogg files work, though I didn't test them before.

When I plugged it into the USB extension cord Ubuntu would mount it, but several seconds later it would disappear (repeatedly). Plugging it directly into the same port worked fine, though. Oddly, this doesn't happen with my other usb stuff (mini HD, flash drives, external HD case, etc.)

Radio, mic, and all the settings seem to work. (btw, pressing *USER when listening to a radio preset gives you the option to remove it from the preset list.)

It no longer gives you the option to play by Author/CD/Genre anymore, but hitting play when a folder is selected creates a temporary "playlist" of anything in that folder or in sub folders. So you can play a branch of folders (but not the contents of the folder without it's sub folders). Also, this isn't a playlist that will show up under "Playlist."

It plays in order of file name, rather then the order songs were transferred. Again though, I didn't test this before.

I meant to put the '...YP-U2_VER1351_OC_LCD.zip' firmware on it, but accidentally unzipped & installed the other. Any reason to use the ver1351_OC over ver1300_KOR?

Any complaints I have are very minor and have nothing to do with firmware/software (at this point).

- Saxywolf

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15 February 2007

Samsung's tech support told me tonight that as of late January, the latest firmware corrects the problems with Windows Media Player 11. (The January date obviously is wrong--the firmware version the tech support agent had me download was 1.136, which someone on here reported getting on a new player at the end of December.) Under this (MTP) firmware version, I briefly got the player to work, and when I did, it actually showed up under Removable Drives rather than Portable Devices, meaning I was able to drag and drop under Windows Explorer/My Computer. However, it was showing up as a "Recovery Device", and so I'm not sure it would show up as a removable drive if it were working properly.

I was never able to get the player to work properly on my computer using the MTP firmware: when it was plugged in, it just connected and disconnected itself every five seconds, also showing up as "MTP Device". I got it to work on one computer in a classroom where I teach, but not on my office computer (which for some reason required admin privileges to install it--this may be one big advantage of UMS over MTP). I therefore upgraded it to one of the latest UMS version.

The latest UMS versions will not not allow you to upgrade from the MTP version (at least, not 1.136)--I guess Samsung has decided that if you buy the MTP version, you're stuck with it. However, I was able to flash to one of the older UMS versions, 1.352, and after that I was able to flash to one of the latest UMS versions (2.161). It doesn't seem to matter which UMS version you're upgrading from--I went from 1.352 ("EU") to 2.161 ("OC"--I had originally found this one by telling the support site I was in Australia) without any problem.

Therefore, if you want to change over from MTP to UMS, you should first upgraded to one of the 1.35x UMS versions, then unintall the installer, and upgrade to one of the 2.16x versions. I've included the URL's to these new versions below (I'm sure there's also a Korean version as well--if you want to search for it on the Samsung Global Download Center, the version number should be 2.160).

http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/FM/200702/20070214093822265_Samsung-YP-U2-V2.161-OC.zip

http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/FM/200702/20070214093720765_Samsung-YP-U2-V2.162-EU.zip

http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/FM/200702/20070214093720765_Samsung-YP-U2-V2.163-FR.zip

http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/FM/200702/20070214093720765_Samsung-YP-U2-V2.163-FR.zip

MTKnife

16 February 2007

I had a similar experience to the 15 Feb 07 poster -- I got a player (YP-U2JZW) with the version 1.136 firmware installed. Unfortunately, since this is an MTP firmware, SyncToy would not work to sync my podcasts. I converted to 1.351 ("OC") and then to 2.161 ("OC"), either of which are UMS firmware versions. Unfortunately, the only navigation options for these firmwares are via folder heirarchy or via a playlist (i.e. not by track/artist/album/genre). They also do not include the "favorites" option. But they do allow for deleting files via Settings->System. I didn't notice any other major differences.

I had the same problem with the player showing up as a "Player Recovery Device Class" while I was trying the hold play/press reset trick to get the firmware updater to work. In order to get around this, I plugged in the device and then held play & pressed reset without the firmware updater running. Once Windows XP popped up the "Found New Hardware" wizard, I hit "Next" and allowed the wizard to complete. Only then did I launch the updater, and it worked like a charm. If you try to cancel the "Found New Hardware" wizard, the device will not be recognized by the updater. And if you run the "Found New Hardware" wizard at the same time as the updater, they both seem to hang without making progress.

17 February 2007

Just one addendum: once you change to UMS, if you're in the U.S. you need to remember to go into the Radio Settings to set the FM tuner for USA/Korea (though mine seemed to be working fine before I changed it).

MTKnife

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19 February 2007

Just bought a YP-U2JZW. It came with 1.136, which is the only firmware the Samsung seems to be offering now. In my attempts to install one of the firmwares mentioned above, the updater software would not get past initializing or searching for device, which would leave the device inoperable (recognizable as USB drive but player interface would not turn on). I could flash it back to the 1.136 firmware by unistalling the updater and installing the 1.136 updater. What I did to finally get the firmware to work was use the 1.136 updater and let it recognize the device. Then I copied the binary files from the 1.351 firmware over to the c:\Program Files\Samsung\YP-U2J\ folder (you can check this by clicking the details button on the updater). Only then did I click on start. I check system>setting>about and now have 1.351 installed and the ability to play all my .ogg files. Hope this helps someone who runs up against the same problem as me.

- elpresidente

March 6, 2006
Using 1.351 on a YPU2J, the player sorts files by MP3 tags (title?) instead of by filename. Very annoying for my use. Anyone have a fix. Is there some hidden setting, or do I have to find different firmware?

Thanks,

M-K

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14 March 2007

I bought a YP-U2JQB/XAA; and here's what I had to do to get non-crippled firmware installed after several hours of trying.

The latest US firmware updater is necessary. I went to Samsung's website, searched for 'YP-U2JQB/XAA firmware', and downloaded the installer.

Downloaded the 2.162-EU installer from the link above (http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/FM/200702/20070214093720765_Samsung-YP-U2-V2.162-EU.zip)

Install the latest US firmware updater.

Start the firmware update process. In my case the dialog box with the progress bars said that the current firmware version is 1.136, and the version to be installed is 1.136. Fortunately it looks like the messy business of using three hands to hold the 'play' button, push the reset button with a tiny pin, and start the firmware installer all at the same time, isn't necessary (or at least wasn't in my case).

Don't install the firmware yet. Take the files out of the Binaries directory of the v2.162 zipfile, and put them in place of the same files for the 1.136 installer (probably under C:\Documents and Settings\Samsung\YP-U2\). You *must* do this after the installer has recognized the device, but before the firmware is actually installed. It doesn't seem to work otherwise.

Now continue the firmware update process. This should work.

My Jens of Sweden MP-400 (no longer available unfortunately) does the same things as this device (albeit with less capacity), in 2/3rds the size, with far more configurability and a better constructed case. I'd skip the Samsung device unless you really need something this small and can't find a better alternative (check eBay for Jens of Sweden's older players).
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I followed the steps from the previous post and it worked like a charm. I thought my player was dead. They key, as stated above, it to get the recover class installed first and they launch the updater. One note, usually the files are located in c:\program files\samsun\yp-u2. I believe there was a type above (c:\documents and settings vs c:\program files). Non the less, the last post was very, very helpful. Thanks guys.
- Keith
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9 May 2007

I just noticed the new 2.162 firmware. Does anyone know if there are any real functional differences between 2.162 (UMS) and the old 1.351 (UMS)? Is there any reason to upgrade?

-jspiegel
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I had varying success with what is posted here. I got the device to function like a drive but lost my FM radio function. I was willing to live with that but decided to dig a little further. Going to the Samsung Hong Kong site I was able to find the version 2.165. Don't worry about matching model numbers; just pick the play that looks like yours. I found this version gave me the right functionality and the FM tuner. Vorbis OGG works too. I followed the steps of, attach the drive, put it into recovery mode, then load the installation software. The Samsung global download site suggested here only offered version 1.136. BTW, while I did the firmware on a computer with XP, I now regularly use it on a Windows 2000 computer.

-kozel 14 May 2007
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2007 Augus 18

I just bought a refurbished YP-U2J or YP-U2JQB (the first name is printed on the case, the second is printed on a stick-on label).

The firmware is 1.136 and it does not support UMS. I wish to update to the latest that supports UMS.

How can I tell which versions will work with my player? Is mine the same as YP-U2JQB/XAA? Looking at the Australian download centre, there is only firmware for the YP-U2X and the YP-U2Z. Google tells me that the X has 512M of flash and the Z has 1G. My player has 2G. So neither seems like a proper match.

The Australian site offers 2.161 for Win 98/2K/XP user and 2.211 for Win 2000/XP/Vista users. Both models get the same firmware version; at least for 2.211, both .zip files are identical. Version suffix OC_th. "common language (SOUTH AMERICA, ASIA PACIFIC, MIDDLE EAST, AFRICA, MEXICO, INDIA, JAPAN)"

The Singapore site has more models but the same firmware version numbers as Australia.

The United Kingdom site offers 2.162 and 2.212. Version suffix EU (Europe?). "common language (list of lots of European countries and Swaziland but not France)".

The Hong Kong site offers 2.215. Version suffix CH (Chinese?). "common language (CHINA, HONG KONG, TAIWAN)"

I'm going to go with OC_th but I wonder if the EU version would be better.
[[User:Hugh|Hugh]] 22:15, 18 August 2007 (PDT)
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kozel 29 August 2007

I just bought another player, a refurb 2gb, sticker says YP-U2JQB. I went to the Hong Kong English web site and picked the model YP-U2ZB and downloaded the 2.165 firmware and it installed fine and it's in English. I subsequently went back and downloaded the 2.215 firmware and installed that over the 2.165 and that works fine as well. The only issue with installing the 2.215 firmware is that I didn't have to put the unit into recovery to start the process; but after an inordinate long time of repeating start to end green progress bar display, it looks like the unit put itself into recovery mode and then the install completed. I thought it was in a loop and I was afraid to interrupt it and just let it run. You may want to place the unit into recovery mode before executing the upgrade software. If you are upgrading from the standard US firmware, you will have to put the unit into recovery anyway. BTW, while I did the firmware on an XP, the drive is easily recognized on Win 2000 after the upgrade.

== How bout Windows 2000 Pro ? ==

Any hope of this device working on Windows 2000 Pro ??

all the computers at my work run Win 2K - and this is my primary place I would use it. I put it in and it came up and tried to install it auto - then had me restart. Now nothing - it won't show up in my computer or anything. ??

== YP-U3 ==

Dave Platt wrote about the UP-Y3: bought one in September 2007. So far it has played my Vorbis files flawlessly - I've used -q3 (averaging around 100kbit/second) and -q6 (192kbit/second nominal). Track switching is not gapless but is only a couple of tenths of a second. The US version is MTP rather than UMS, so I had to download and install libmtp and Amarok and tweak my Linux udev configuration to be able to see and access the device. Vorbis tags are correctly displayed during playback, and Amarok correctly extracts the tag information and feeds it to the YP-U3 for indexing purposes when the tracks are downloaded. Doesn't seem to be possible to re-flash it with the "universal" international firmware (odd-numbered versions) which are UMS-based. I've read reports which suggest that the UMS versions will display Vorbis tags during playback but won't extract them from the files for indexing purposes, which would make the player harder to use with Vorbis tracks!

== YP-C1 X ==

I'm n8evv and I have one. It plays 160 kbit/sec vorbis, but not 45 kbit/sec. Need to test in between, and to see if it's the age of the encoder or the bitrate. (As disks got bigger, I bumped up my bitrate.) Play order is unclear and seems to jump between folders. The 45 kbit/sec tracks are just skipped. I don't use the bundled Windows software; I mount the device as a Linux disk as /dev/sda1.

My machine came with 2.201 firmware. Samsung offers 2.301 firmware as of 12 Jan 2007, but doesn't offer any backlevel firmware so I'm nervous about changing anything. There are no firmware release notes.

== YP-F2J ==

After having success with the firmware upgrading instructions listed elsewhere on this page for my YP-U2JQB/XAA, I bought a YP-F2JXB/XAA for my wife. I was originally successful upgrading it to the YP-F2Z firmware v1.503, but that lost the radio. I then successfully [up|down]graded to the YP-F2X v1.451 firmware with radio, playlist and all. 
The tricky part is getting into the "recovery mode". The reset button is covered by the included USB cable. I had to make a little tool, bending the tip of a pin with a pair of needle nose pliers.

== OGG disease ==

Guys, we of Xiph really appreciate all the work of every one of you that is collecting info on the many hardware players out there, but personally, I would appreciate if you would stop saying OGG; it's not an acronym. Actually, do not mention Ogg just by itself: either use Ogg Vorbis, or just Vorbis.

There's so many formats using the Ogg container that not making clear that Ogg != Vorbis will only cause problems and confusion. Please keep that in mind.--[[User:Saoshyant|Saoshyant]] 07:11, 21 February 2007 (PST)

PortablePlayers/SamsungYepp

2007-10-05T18:21:59Z

DavePlatt:

Samsung produce a range of players, many of which support Vorbis to a greater or lesser degree.

== YP-T6 ==
The YP-T6 is an incredibly small flash player with 128/256/512/1024 MB storage, has a mic and FM radio and and Vorbis. The YP-T6 has problems to play Vorbis files created with older encoder-versions.

== YP-T7 ==
The YP-T7 has either 512MB or 1GB capacity and supports the same audio formats, which also applies to the YP-F1. It can display JPEGs on its color display.

== YP-T9 ==
The YP-T9 supports Vorbis with firmware 1.50 and higher. The older firmware also supports MTP transfers only. Note that new firmware is available in two versions, MTP and UMS. Units purchased in US/Canada come with MTP firmware but can be reflashed with UMS firmware from Samsung's download site.

While the spec sheet for the YP-T9 lists Vorbis support, this is missing from the product package and from the user manual. Samsung tech support could not confirm that the player would play Vorbis files.

== YP-C1 ==
The YP-C1 has similar specs, including Vorbis support; at the time of writing, it seems to be readily available only in Korea and China.

== YP-53 ==
The YP-53, a small flash player with 128/256/512/1024 MB storage, mic, USB 2.0 and FM radio, supports Vorbis(-q >= 0) with Firmware 1.200.

== YP-U1 ==
The YP-U1 is a small (2,38 x 8,78 x 1,35 cm, ~32g) flash player with 128/256/512/1024/2048 MB storage. The player has a LCD b/w display and an integrated accumulator that is charged via USB. It supports USB2.0 and has an integrated USB-plug that can be flipped in and out, so no cable or adapter is needed. It supports directory structures.

==YP-U2 ==
The YP-U2 sold in the US (YP-U2J) does not support Vorbis playback at all, despite what the website claims. Flashing an international firmware for the YP-U2XB allows Vorbis playback on US models (it also turns the player into a USB drive, so that WM10 isn't required to transfer files over. Note that certain international firmwares may remove the FM radio feature or hang the YP-U2J. See the appropriate link below for info on getting a hold of the correct Vorbis-compatible firmware.

* YP-U2J, YP-U2JQB, YP-U2JQB/XAA: observed US/Canadian models. PlaysForSure, no Vorbis

* YP-U2X, YP-U2Z, YP-U2XW, YP-U2ZB, YP-U2ZW: models supported on Samsung Hong Kong website as of 2007 August 19. These support Vorbis, UMS. B and W seem to stand for Black and White.

==YP-U3 ==
The YP-U3 sold in the US (YP-U3J) supports Vorbis playback with firmware versions 1.08 and 1.10 - quality levels 3 and 6 have been confirmed to work. Multi-track playback is not gapless - there's a pause of a few tenths of a second when switching between tracks. The US version is an MTP device (rather than a USB Mass Storage drive) and requires WM10, or libusb support (e.g. in Amarok) to transfer files. Vorbis tags are extracted and displayed correctly during track playback. Proper artist/album/track indexing requires that the program downloading the tracks to the YP-U3 extract the tags and include the information in the MTP download operation - the YP-U3 will not do this automatically. "International" versions of the YP-U3, running versions of the firmware ending in an odd digit, function as UMS drives rather than MTP media devices... US (MTP) models seem to refuse to accept attempts to reflash with the "universal" UMS firmware.

== YP-Z5 ==
The YP-Z5 is a player with color screen, 1/2/4 GB flash memory, USB 2.0 and Vorbis support (firmware versions 1.06US, 2.28US), albeit not officially mentioned on the manufacturers website.

:*[[Talk:PortablePlayers#Samsung's Yepp Vorbis support|There have been reports that the Vorbis support in the YP-T6 is buggy.]]
:*[[Talk:PortablePlayers#Yepp_YP-U2|Finding the best Vorbis-compatible firmware for the US-purchased YP-U2J.]]

PortablePlayers

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DavePlatt: /* Flash Memory Storage */

== Introduction ==
Here you'll find all mobile players known to natively support [[Vorbis]]. Some may also play FLAC (please add information if this is the case).

Please do not write Vorbis as "OGG". Please do not add information on how well it plays MP3 or whatever, because this is a list for Xiph-aware players.

== Flash Memory Storage ==

:in each description, please say if the device works "out of the box" or you have to install any software to use it properly (if the extra-software is optional, then it doesn't matter).

From the information below (see the "Chinese MP4" and "PowerUp!" items), it is possible that all Chinese made [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S1_MP3_Player S1 MP3] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_MP4/MTV_player MP4] players can play the Ogg Vorbis file format, even though their manuals or advertisements do not mention this. Since many tens of millions of these units have been sold worldwide, there is a potentially huge, undocumented, base of portable media players which can play the Ogg Vorbis format. If you have one of these Chinese made players, just give it a try and see. [http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/126069 Here] is one cheap unbranded Chinese 1GB mp3 player that supports vorbis. 

* [http://www.grundig-uk.co.uk/productlist.aspx?cid=MP3 Grundig UK] GUPA530, MP650
:Both models offer 512MB. They play Ogg Vorbis, [[MP3]] and [[WMA]]. USB 2.0/1.1 interface. The MP650 is not available yet.

* [http://musicmp3direct.com/ MP3] MP-8256, MP-8512, MP-81000
:Looks like another whitebox label. No official website found yet, but three models are offered in shops: MP-8256 with 256MB memory, MP-8512 (512MB) and MP-81000 (1GB). Plays not only Ogg Vorbis, but [[MP3]], [[WMA]] and even BMP and Textfiles via small colour display. USB 2.0 interface. Sufficient quality in playback and recording (Radio/Line-In).

* [http://www.netonnet.se/item.asp?iid=61510 Avant] MP-8256, MP-8512, MP-81000
:Looks like another whitebox label. No official website found yet, but three models are offered in shops: MP-8256 with 256MB memory, MP-8512 (512MB) and MP-81000 (1GB). Plays not only Ogg Vorbis, but [[MP3]], [[WMA]] and even BMP and Textfiles via small colour display. USB 2.0 interface. Sufficient quality in playback and recording (Radio/Line-In).

* [http://enox.co.kr/2004/eng/ ENOX] EMX-830, EMX-900, EMX-530
:'The lightest and the smallest one among AAA type MP3 players.' Supports MP3, WMA, ASF, WAV, and Ogg Vorbis, has FM tuner, line-in and mic with direct MP3 encoding. Comes with 128/256/512/1024MB flash memory and USB 2.0 interface. The EMX-900 has up to 1 GB storage and supports the same file formats.

* [http://www.ez-av.com/eng/ EZAV's] T2, EMP-600, EMP-500, EMP-400
:All players support Ogg Vorbis, MP3, ASF, and WMA codecs, FM radio recording (FM, voice, and line-in). The EMP-400 has 256MB and 512MB storage. The other players have storage options up to 1GB. The EMP-600 and T2 have full color displays and add support for a proprietary video format.

* [http://www.fuckinglovely.de/ Frontier Labs] NEXblack
:The NEXblack supports Ogg Vorbis, MP3, WMA and uses compact flash cards (or Microdrives) for storage. Other features include an FM tuner, recording (FM and line-in), and USB 2.0. The display looks monochrome (white on black). The Frontier Labs web site indicates this unit will ship at the end of <strike>June</strike> <strike>July</strike> August 2006. The release date has been repeatedly pushed back since September 2005. NEXBlack came out finally in the end of August 2006. Vorbis files are played without any prob, but Vorbis tags are not supported. [http://bohwaz.kd2.org/static/nexblack/ Some photos and comments].

* [http://www.gp2x.com/ Gamepark Holdings] GP2X
:Linux-based handheld audio/video/game player, supports MP3 and Ogg Vorbis. Uses SD cards for storage (sold separately).

* [http://www.cowonamerica.com iAudio] U3, U2, G3, 5, G2
:The iAudio U2 is a small flash-based player (256MB/512MB/1GB) and supports Vorbis. Early U2 releases required a firmware upgrade for Vorbis support; as of September 2005 this support was included in the retail version. The iAudio G3 and iAudio 5 offer up to 2GB, and support Ogg Vorbis out-of-the-box. The G2 has storage from 256 MB up to 1 GB and supports the same formats. iAudio U3 is Cowon's newest flash-based player. It also supports FLAC and MPEG-4 video. All these players will talk to Linux or Mac (but the included software is Windows only. You'll need Windows for firmware updates.).
:The G3, and most likely the other models as well, supports Ogg Vorbis from q0. Quality settings q-1 and q-2 (from the aoTuV ogg encoder) are not supported. It supports the meta tags ''album'' (limited length) and ''title''.

* [http://www.ibead.co.kr/coding/eng/ i-BEAD] 170, 400, 600
:The i-BEAD 170 & 400 models are small, light flash-based players with built in Lithium-Polymer batteries. They also have OLED displays, and FM & line-in recording. Both are available in 256MB/512MB/1GB and both support Ogg Vorbis after a firmware upgrade. The i-BEAD 600 has up to 2 GB storage and is very small and supports Ogg Vorbis out of the box. PLEASE NOTE: Ogg Vorbis files encoded using pre-1.0 versions of the encoder will not work with these players.

* [http://www.imedian.co.kr/ iMedian] M-Cody M-20, MX-100, 250, 400, 300, 500, 700
:According to the homepage, they support Ogg Vorbis (besides MP3, WMA (some devices w/ DRM), ASF, WAV). Some come with a FM Receiver, USB 2.0 and work even as IR remote. One has a OLED, the others have colour LCDs. Battery and memory is internal. I infer from a review that the MX-100 is the same as a Rio SU70, but I haven't found any information about that rio gadget, though. The M-20 is the newest model, a thin portable in response to the iPod Shuffle. It looks exactly like Maxfield's Max-Sin Touch.

* [http://www.iops.co.kr/enghome/index.html Iops] X7, Z5, Z3, F5, F4, MFP-312, MFP-325, MFP-350
:Newer players offer video and photo support (X7, Z5, F5). Iops offers the MFP-300 series player with 128/256/512MB/1GB internal flash memory. They offer voice and FM radio recording whilst maintaining a lightweight portable size.

* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_MP4/MTV_player Chinese MP4 players sold on eBay]
: I've tried two different MP4 nano lookalikes from different manufacturers and different eBay sellers, and both will play Ogg Vorbis fine, even though none of the documentation or product advertisements say this. Before you buy one, you should check out the eBay FAQ on MP4 players first.

* [http://www.iriver.com/ iRiver's] iFP-3xx, iFP-5xx, iFP-7xx, iFP-8xx, iFP-9xx, iFP-10xx, iFP-11xx, T10, T20, T30, T50, T60, U10, Clix, Clix2, X20
:iRiver has a huge line of flash-based players with various memory sizes (128MB to 2GB). Some of these players may need an updated firmware in order to play Ogg Vorbis files, see the [http://www.iriver.com/support/download.asp support download page] for that. Note — on older players, only certain bitrates are supported, various problems are reported including reboots, silence and random noise when a VBR Vorbis passes outside the limit (either under 96Kbps or over 225 Kbps). Newer players don't have this limitation. However, please be alerted that many of the newer players, such as the Clix, use the Microsoft MTP transfer protocol exclusively so they only work with Windows, whereas other players may be shipped with MTP, but have alternate non-MTP firmware available for download. Tag support not present on U10/Clix (others also?), so Vorbis files will appear under 'unknown artist'/'unknown album'. Please note that the H10 model does not (yet?) support ogg, and can operate in both MTP and UMS (mass storage) modes. [http://easyh10.sf.net./ More information].

* [http://www.jensofsweden.com/ Jens Of Sweden's] MP-120, MP-130, MP-400, MP-450
:The MP-130 is a portable player with flash memory in 128/256/512MB sizes. This appears to be a rebranded Iops player. The MP-400 is a tiny machine with lots of features (line in, mic, fm radio, usb 2.0). With the updated 4.1 firmware it supports Ogg Vorbis files encoded with libvorbis version 1.0rc2 or later. When trying to play files encoded with earlier versions it freezes on playback, requiring an USB connect or reset button pressed (through a tiny hole) to wake up again. The MP-120, a 1Gb flash player, supports Ogg Vorbis with a firmware upgrade since March 2005. MP-120 still doesn't play old Ogg Vorbis files, but they don't make it freeze up. The MP-450 is basically a MP-400 with color display.

* [http://www.jnc-digital.com/Eng/ JNC's] SSF-2002, SSF-2005
:These are flash-based players with 256 MB respectively 512 MB storage capacity. They have the usual FM radio which can be recorded in addition to voice. They also have a 1,9" color display.

* [http://www.kingston.com/ Kingston] [http://www.kingston.com/flash/kpex.asp K-PEX 100]
:Two versions available but are now discontinued (as at March 2007): with 1 GB or 2 GB internal memory. Both models have an extra miniSD memory card storage slot. Ogg playback is sticky at high quality settings. (firmware v2.09) The internal equalizer is disabled when playing ogg. (firmware v2.09)

* [http://www.lexar.com/mp3/index.html Lexar's] LDP-800
:Available from 03/2005 the LDP-800 is offering MP3, WMA and Ogg Vorbis Support with 256/512MB storage. It has a digital out, FM receiver and transmitter, can record from FM, mic and line-in and has a SD-card slot. Includes Sennheiser earbuds. Update: A telephoned sales representative informed on 2005-04-15 that this player would be available sometime in June. Update again: A sales representative telephoned on 2005-06-20 again stated that the player would be available sometime in June. However, a sales representitave at [http://www.ecost.com/ eCOST], an online store carrying the LDP-800, stated that their availability date is now 2005-07-15. Lexar now seem to have dropped this product. See discussion.

* [http://www.lowrance.com/ Lowrance's] iFINDER Expedition C, Hunt C, PhD, iWay 350C, possibly others.
:GPS units, certain models, support playing MP3 and Ogg Vorbis files stored on the SD/MMC card, which is primarily there to hold map files and route/track data. The item descriptions only mention mp3, you have to dig into the manual or actually use the device to discover Vorbis support. What a nice surprise! Many units seem to include voice-recorder functionality too, for tagging waypoints with audio notes, but it's not clear what codec they record in.

* [http://www.lge.com.au/ LG's] UPANW5HSSI, UPANW1GSSI, UPANL1GSSI, UPANR1GSSI, UPANB1GSSI, FM30
: Flash players with 512MB and 1GB capacity. The have no display other than a single multicolour LED. New FM30 model has a large colour display.

* [http://www.maxfield.de/ Maxfield's] Max-Ivy, Max-Diamond, Max-Movie, Max-Diablo, Max-Sin Touch
: It's not yet on the homepage, but the Max-Diamond will be released in 03/2005 and supports MP3, Ogg Vorbis and WMA (DRM). It has 512MB flash memory and can record from FM radio. The Max-Movie has 1GB storage and supports DivX, MP3 WMA (DRM) and Ogg Vorbis. It also has FM radio and a display with 260.000 colors. The Max-Diablo supports the same audio formats, but can also display pictures and videos on its small OLED (4096 colors). It has 1GB storage. Max-Sin Touch has 512 MB or 1 GB internal memory. Not to be confused with Maxfield Max-Sin, which doesn't have ogg support. Max-Sin Touch looks exactly like M-Cody M-20.

:: While the Max-Sin Touch does play Ogg Vorbis, it only does so with occasional glitches, at least with a device bought in November 2006. Perhaps a future firmware upgrade might help, but I'm skeptical. At this time, I cannot recommend the player. ― [[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] 22:48, 22 November 2006 (PST)

* [http://www.mbird.co.kr/ M-bird's] XT-22S, XR-22
: Available in 256MB/512MB/1GB sizes. USB 2.0. Supports Ogg Vorbis (although it doesn't seem to view tag info, will probably be fixed in future firmwares (?)), but also MP3 and WMA. It has small 200 mW built-in speaker. Inverted display with the ability to choose the foreground colour in 125 steps. Other features include FM-radio, voice recorder (built-in mic), line-in, alarm, and more. While XR-22 support memory upto 2GB and functions are similar to XT-22S.

* [http://en.meizu.com/ Meizu] M6 miniPlayer
:Available in 1/2/4GB capacities. USB 2.0. Supports Ogg Vorbis and FLAC as well as MP3, MP2, WMA. DRM10 support should be supported with future firmware updates. 2.4", 260k color display, text, photo (BMP, JPG, GIF), and video (AVI), FM radio/recording, built-in mic for voice recording. English, Simplified Chinese, Traditional Chinese, Japanese, Korean and partial Hebrew language support. You can buy an an external battery pack which is rumored to enable USB On-The-Go support sometime in the future.

* [http://www.mobiblu.com/ MobiBLU] Cube2, DAH-2100, US2, BOXON
: All the above players support Ogg Vorbis (Q1-Q10). The B153 and DAH-1500i models do not mention ogg Vorbis in their specifications

* [http://www.mpmaneurope.com/product.aspx?product_id=77 MPMan] MP-FUB34 MP-CS157
:The mpman FUB34 and FUB35 are available (March 2007) in the UK in electrical stores such as Comet and come in 128MB, 256MB, 512MB and 1GB memory sizes. They appear to be a Chinese S1 MP3 player. Although no mention is made of Ogg Vorbis support in the documentation or on the website (only MP3 & WMA), the format is supported. MP-CS157 is a multi-media player, supporting Ogg/Vorbis as well, even if there is no mention on the box.

* [http://mpeye.net/ MPeye] TS-400
:a flash player which comes in 128MB/256MB/512MB/1GB sizes, has a FM-receiver, colour display and a voice recorder.

* [http://www.muzio.co.kr/ Muzio's] JM200, JM250, JM300
:Another Korean manufacturer jumps in and offers small flash-based players with 128MB up to 1GB storage capacities. They support the usual formats MP3/WMA/Ogg Vorbis, can record voice, receive FM radio.

* [http://www.neurosaudio.com/ Neuros'] Neuros II
:The Neuros II can be used as a stand-alone flash-player. You can later buy an HDD "backpack" from 20 to 80 gigs in size and switch the backpacks as you please. This player now has a [http://open.neurosaudio.com/ free software (open-source) firmware].

* [http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1532817&Sku=TC3G-5012 PowerUp!] 1GB USB Player
: Power Up! brand 1GB player, available from [http://www.tigerdirect.com TigerDirect]. The unit is either the standard S1 or Centon 1GB USB player or a clone thereof. There is no mention of Ogg Vorbis support in any of the literature, but my unit plays ogg files. Bonus!

* [http://www.pre-view.com.tw Preview Technology] makes a number of OGG-Vorbis compatable players. Although only a handful of their players claim support for Vorbis, it appears that OGG Vorbis works on some of the models where it is not advertised. Their players are being re-branded sold as inexpensive "MP4" players. Many players by Ergotech, Vakoss, and Zicplay are based on designs by Preview.

* [http://eng.qoolqee.com/ Qoolqee's] K7
:This is an interesting mix of a flash-based MP3 player and an organizer: the player has 512/1024 MB storage and contact and calendar functions and can sync with Outlook. It supports MP3, WMA and Ogg Vorbis, has FM radio and connectors for two headphones.

* [http://www.samsung.com/Products/ Samsung] / [http://www.yepp.co.kr/ Yepp] (product label), YP-T6, YP-T7, YP-T9, YP-C1, YP-F1, YP-MT6, YP-53, YP-U1, YP-U3, UP-U2, YP-Z5
:Many Yepp players support Ogg, please see [[PortablePlayersSamsungYepp]] for more details about each model. Note: many of these models being sold into DRM-sensitive markets (e.g. the United States) are configured as MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) devices rather than as USB mass-storage drives (UMS) and may require the use of specialized software on any system with which you use them. Samsung provides Windows drivers with these devices, which may or may not be necessary on Windows systems (recent versions of Windows Media Player reportedly support these devices without a specific driver). Using MTP-based players on non-Windows PCs will require installation of additional software. Linux support for at least some of these devices is available through [http://libmtp.sourceforge.net/ libmtp] and the "generic MTP device" plugin in [http://amarok.kde.org/ Amarok]. Read the specifications on the box carefully; if it says it depends on Windows Media Player, then it's probably an MTP device which may need Windows drivers or other MTP support software.

* [http://www.signeo.co.jp Signeo] / [http://www.signeo.co.jp/products/sn-a800/ SN-A800], [http://www.signeo.co.jp/products/sn-m700/ SN-M700], [http://www.signeo.co.jp/products/sn-m600/ SN-M600].
:(2006-01-08) Seen in many electronics stores in Japan. The SN-A800 looks incredible — smaller than the iPod Nano, I think. I've not been able to try any for sound quality. Signeo also makes a hard drive player that supports vorbis. Their 2005-12 sales brochure claims Linux compatability for the SN-M600 and SN-M700.

* [http://www.storex.fr/storex/htm/scripts/produit.asp?nom_produit=Mobikey-MP3%20SF30 Storex] Mobikey-MP3 SF30

* [http://www.supportplus.cn/ SupportPlus'] SP-Advance
:Found this player in the local supermarket. The player is very small, has a 1 inch colour LCD and 1 GB of storage. Supports audio and video incl. Ogg Vorbis. The SP-Advance is not listed on their web site, but among the ones that are on the web site the 1-inch HDD Super Slim Jukebox claims Ogg Vorbis support.

* [http://www.swissbit.com/ Swissbit's] Swissmemory s.beat
:The s.beat is sort of an original piece of hardware, as, you may have guessed it, it is a swiss army knife with an MP3 player. It supports Ogg Vorbis too and comes in sizes of 1 up to 4 GB.

* [http://www.t-budd.com/ T-Budd] (web site under construction as of 2006-03-30) Korean company who makes wonderdull piece of hardware : TLN-100 which comes in 512 Mb or 1 Go. Supports MPEG 1/2/2.5/3 layer 3, WMA, ASF et OGG, PLF (proprietary video format) and works with two AAA batteries. Nice OLED display. FM radio. Very quick memory transfers. Not a usbkey type player, but a small USB adaptator is furnished, and allows the device to be plugged directly on a USB standard plug. USB2 Mass storage implemented : works perfectly under Linux.

* [http://www.teac.com/ TEAC's] MP-400
:The MP-400 is a flsh-player with either 512/1024MB storage. It supports MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis and MPEG-4 video.

* Tekmax T-1000 [http://www.ioneit.com/ "ioneit"]
:256/512/1024 MB USB-connected mass storage device (flash based, uses FAT16, OS independent), 64K 4.41cm² color display, MP3/WMA/ASF/OGG support, equalizer and "3D sound", FM tuner, bookmark system, clock, stopwatch, alarm timer, record from microphone/FM as MP3, dual output, firmware upgradeable. Size: 3.5x8x1.7cm @ 40 grams. 16 hours of battery life.

* [http://www.trekstor.de/ TrekStor's] iBeat fresh, iBeat organix, iBeat classico, iBeat cube, iBeat ice, iBeat vision
:The iBeat fresh comes with 256/512 MB storage has a 64K color display and the usual features. The iBeat organix comes with 256/512/1024 MB flash memory. The iBeat cube is a very small player with the usual features. The iBeat ice has a sharp OLED display. The iBeat vision has a large display that can be used to watch movies. It comes in sizes from 256MB to 2GB. The iBeat classico optionally features FM radio and offers 512,1024 or 2048 MB together with 2 color OLED display.

* [http://www.wigobyte.com/ Wigo's] CVM-101, CVM-103, CVM-300, CVS-100
:Korean players with slick design, comes in 128/256/512/1024 MB depending on models. Support MP3/WMA/Ogg, FM receiver, voice recorder. Note: Ogg bitrates supported may be limited, check the manufacturer's specification for each device for details.

* [http://www.xcent.co.kr Xcent's] XT100
:This player is sold in the U.K. and comes with 256/512MB. It supports MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis and has FM radio and voice recording. It also works under Linux (kernel 2.4 upwards) and FreeBSD 5.3 (recognised as a removable mass storage device).

== Harddisk Storage ==

* [http://www.airlinktek.com/ AL Tech's] MG-25, MG-35, MG350HD
:The Mediagate MG-25 is a portable HDD that supports also media playback. It uses a 2,5" disk and USB2.0 to connect, and supports MPEG-1/-2/-4, DivX, Xvid, MP3, Ogg Vorbis, JPG. It can upsample to HDTV, has composite, component and s-video outs, stereo and a digital out. Remote control is included. The MG-35 uses a 3,5" HDD instead, supports WMA and ethernet. The MG350HD uses a 3,5" HDD as well and supports HDTV. There is a wiki page with an faq [http://mediagate.pbwiki.com/ here].

* [http://www.apple.com/ipod Apple's] iPod*
:<nowiki>*</nowiki>''The native iPod firmware doesn't support Ogg Vorbis.'' You can, however, install [http://www.rockbox.org/ RockBox] or [http://www.ipodlinux.org/ iPodLinux] on all iPod models (except for the Shuffle and Nano 2nd gen). RockBox supports tags, and a number of other formats. The larger iPod models have up to 80 GB HDDs.

* [http://www.boghe.com/products/audio/vip20.htm Boghe] Vip20
:The Vip20 seems to be similar to the iBeat 500 from TrekStor and Xclef HD-800. It has the same features: MP3, WMA, WAV, Ogg Vorbis decoding plus 20 GB storage.

* [http://www.cmt21.com/index_eng.php Creative Mind (CMTECH)'s] U250
:Seems to be a Korean supplier to Samsung who also sells own branded players. Works as pendrive, encodes MP3 from line-in (same jack as the headphone), FM radio and microphone. Has built in loudspeaker. Plays back Ogg Vorbis, MP3 and WMA. Does not display ISO-885902 accented characters from my Vorbis comments. :-(

* [http://www.commodore.net/ Commodore's] eVic
:The eVic has 20GB storage and plays WMA (incl. DRM), MP3 and Ogg Vorbis. It can record voice and music, and has USB host functionality. In Hardware version M03-002, firmware 2.203 '''serious problems''' with ogg playback while using the ''Equalizer'' are present (disturbing crackling noises). (An email inquiry to Commodore International Corporation replied "eVic's new firmware is still developing. The new version will safe the issue with ogg playback while using the Equalizer.") USB host functionality seems not to be implemented yet at all.

* [http://www.cowonamerica.com Cowon iAudio] M3, M5, X5, A2, 6
:The iAudio M3 is a portable harddisk player with either 20 or 40 GB of storage. It has a built-in FM radio and mic. It supports MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis and WAV and even FLAC with the newest firmware upgrade. See this [http://gear.ign.com/articles/522/522090p1.html IGN article] for more info. The M5 has 20 GB storage and supports the same formats. The X5 is similarly designed (storage sizes of 20GB, 30GB, 60GB) and can play MPEG-4 videos. It has a 1.8 inch LCD with 260,000 colors and USB OTG (On-The-Go) feature. The A2 is released in November 2005 and is a widescreen mobile video player. It has a 480 x 272 pixel screen and supports the above metioned set of audio, video and image formats. The tiny iAudio 6 features a 4 Gb 0.85" harddisk and supports both OGG and FLAC. The M3, M5, X5, and A2 (probably the 6 as well) all act as USB mass storage devices, which means they are supported by Linux and Mac. The software is windows-only, though.
:'''Comment tag support''' — The iaudio X5 supports the ''artist'' (limited length), ''album'', and ''title'' comment tags.

* [http://www.digmind.com/ Digital Mind Corporation's] DMC 8280
:The [http://www.digmind.com/store/index_8280.html DMC 8280] has 20 GB or 30 GB storage, plays Ogg Vorbis, MP3 and WMA. Standard feature set; this player does not excel in any area but price. USB mass storage compliant — you can put songs on it from non-Windows computers, but full indexing of the songs for reference by artist etc. requires Windows.

* [http://www.emtec-international.com/ Emtec's] Movie Cube
:The Movie Cube comes with a 2,5" HDD with 40 or 80 GB size. It supports the playback of various audio and video formats including Ogg Vorbis. The package includes some AV cables and a remote control.

* [http://www.freecom.com/ Freecom's] MediaPlayer-3, Network MediaPlayer-35 Drive-In
:The MediaPlayer-3 is again sort of an external HDD that can play media without a PC. It supports DivX, MP3, MPEG-4, AVI, WMA, ASF and Ogg Vorbis. The product with the complicated name Network MediaPlayer-35 Drive-In is an enhanced version of the MediaPlayer-3 — it has an additional network interface and supports an internal 3,5" drive. The ethernet port can be used to read media from the network, but cannot be used as network attached storage.

* [http://www.godot.com.tw/ GoDot] M8170, M8270, M8370, M8470, M8570
:GoDot's HD players have capacity ranging from 2.2gb to 20gb. Each model is very different. They support Ogg Vorbis, MP3 and WMA (some models support DRM).

* [http://www.hama.de/portal?lid=2 Hama's] VSV-20/VSV-40
:The VSV-20/VSV-40 has the usual mobile MP3 HDD player size and can read/write from its 16in1 memory card reader and 20 GB or 40 GB internal HDD. But it can do more than audio (MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis, AAC). It supports image (JPEG) and video (MPEG-1/-4) playback on the 2" display and on a connected TV. It even includes a remote control. Beware: Hama has suspended OggVorbis support. However, there is a Firmware update promised to reestablish OggVorbis. If you plan to buy a device check the [http://www.hama.de/service/download/firmware/index.hsp Firmware download page] or better [http://www.hama.de/portal/pageId*2276/action*3499 ask them] about the current status of OggVorbis support.

* [http://eng.iaudio.com/ iAudio]
:See Cowon iAudio above.

* [http://www.idream-multimedia.com/liste.php?cid=9 iDREAM] Jukebox 2.2 GB, 3.3 GB and 4 GB
:Those HDD players support OGG and Encode MP3 from Line-In.

* [http://www.ivmm.com/innoax/products/innopod.htm InnoAX's] InnoPod
:This is a iPod mini clone, that supports MP3, WMA, WAV and Ogg Vorbis. It supports recording from line-in and mic, has a 4 GB harddrive and USB2.0.

* [http://www.iomega.com/ Iomega's] ScreenPlay Pro
:Iomega is finally also jumping on the bandwaggon and offers external HDDs with multimedia-playback. The larger version ScreenPlay Pro supports the usual audio and video codecs including Ogg Vorbis. It seems to be a repackaged Mvisto with HDD included [http://www.iomega-europe.com/eu/en/products/screenplay/screenplay_family_en.aspx ScreenPlay Pro].

* [http://www.iriver.com/ iRiver's] iHP-1xx, H1xx, H2xx, H3xx, iGP-100
:iRiver has also a number of harddisk based items that play back Ogg Vorbis. Older models like the [http://www.iriver.com/product/info.asp?p_name=iHP-100 iHP-100] and the [http://www.iriver.co.kr/product/info.asp?p_group=iHP&p_name=iHP-115 iHP-115] come in 10 and 15 GB sizes and need a firmware update (see the [http://www.iriver.com/support/download.asp support downloads] for that). The [http://www.iriver.com/product/info.asp?p_name=iHP-120 iHP-120], a 20GB portable player, and the [http://www.iriver.com/product/info.asp?p_name=iHP-140 iHP-140], a 40GB version, support Vorbis playback out of the box. Read reviews here: [http://gear.ign.com/articles/435/435472p1.html IGN on iHP-100], [http://gear.ign.com/articles/457/457818p1.html IGN on iHP-120]. The [http://www.iriveramerica.com/products/iGP-100.asp iGP-100], a 1.5Gb portable player, supports Vorbis, according to the FAQ, though no firmware upgrade appears to be required. The new line of harddisk players [http://www.iriver.com/product/info.asp?p_name=H140H110 H120, H140] come in 10 to 40 GB sizes. There is also a product line with USB host function and colour display that supports 32-500kbs: [http://www.iriver.com/product/info.asp?p_name=H340 H320, H340]. The newer H10 player does not support Ogg Vorbis.
:Many iRiver devices can be loaded with the RockBox replacement firmware which plays Ogg Vorbis as well as adding FLAC playback.

* [http://www.jetaudio.com/products/tvix/ JetAudio's] [http://www.tvix.co.kr/eng/ Dvico's] TViX
:This is a rather unique device. JetAudio calls it a multimedia jukebox, music tank, photo album and last but not least a portable storage. It is bigger than usual portable devices, but has also a lot more options. It can connect to the PC (USB 2.0), TV (S-Video, Composite), stereos and 5.1 surround systems (Coaxial/Optical) and comes with a remote control. Supported video formats are DVD (MPEG-2), VCD (MPEG-1), DivX, Xvid. Supported Audio formats are MP3, WMA and Ogg Vorbis. It can display JPEG pictures on the TV. It is available without a harddrive, or equipped with harddrive sizes up to 200 GB.

* [http://www.jnc-digital.com/Eng/ JNC's] SSF-M3, SSF-M5
:The SSF-M3 comes with 20/40GB storage size, whereas the SSF-M5 has only 1.5 GB. Both support voice recording and FM radio. The SSF-M3 is more stylish and very slim and comes with a docking station.

* [http://www.lge.com/ LG's] Mediagate
:This player is similar to the Modix or TViX. It is a portable USB HDD equipped with a 2,5" drive (size varies). It plays audio (MP3, Ogg Vorbis, WMA), video (MPEG-1/-2, Xvid, DivX) and images (JPEG). It has composite, s-video and component video output and supports progressive scan, audio output is done through a coaxial and stereo plug. The device is bundled with a remote control.

* [http://www.mobiblu.com/ mobiBLU] DHH-200

* [http://www.modix.co.kr/ Modix] HD-3510
:The HD-3510 is similar to the TViX, as it is sort of a portable multi-talent. It can store and playback audio, video and images, and can be used for other files as well. It can decode MPEG-1/-2/-4 including DivX/Xvid, AC3, DTS, MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis and JPEG. It uses USB2.0 for data input and has various ouput connectors: anlog stereo and 5.1 out, coaxial digital out, composite, s-video and component video out with progressive scan and HDTV upscaling. The HD-3510 is bundled with a carrying bag and a remote control, but without a 3,5" HDD.

* [http://mpeye.net/ MPeye's] HT-100, HT-150
:The HT-100 uses a 1,5 GB HDD, decodes MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis and supports the usual features. The HT-150 seems to have the same features (maybe a mistake on the website).

* [http://www.mpio.com/ mpio] HD300, HD200, One
:mpio HD300 is a harddisk player with 20GB and supports WAV/MP3/WMA/Ogg Vorbis. It has FM radio, an alarm clock and supports USB 2.0. The HD200 has 5GB storage capacity, a FM radio which can be recorded and supports the same formats as the HD300. Despite its name the One consist of three components: a player, a HDD and a CD-ROM drive, which can be combined with each other. It supports [[MP3]], [[WMA]], Ogg Vorbis, JPG, BMP and MPEG-4 movies. It has a 1" OLED display and will be available from 05/2005.

* [http://www.imp3.net/read.php?textid=1529 Muzio's] JM-600
:This player comes with either 2.2 or 4 GB harddrive and supports MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis and ASF. It can record voice and has a FM receiver. What sets this player apart is the LCD — it can show BMPs, JPGs and text. The device can also act as a USB host to support digital cameras.

* [http://www.macpower.com.tw/ Macpower] Mvisto MV-U2UGS
:The Mvisto is a portable hardware enclosure for 2,5" harddrives. It has video and audio outs and decodes MPEG1/2/Divx/Xvid/JPEG/MP3/WMA/AAC/Ogg Vorbis. It comes with a remote control.

* [http://www.neurosaudio.com/ Neuros'] Neuros II
:This mobile player comes either with various harddrive sizes up to 80 GB or as 256 MB flash player. The new firmware to support Ogg Vorbis has been developed by the Xiph.org Foundation (see the [http://www.neurosaudio.com/press/news_item.aspx?itemID=80 press release]). Get the newest firmware version at Neuros' [http://www.neurosaudio.com/support/support_updates.asp support page]). The Neuros Synchronization Manager for Windows is available from the same link and now fully supports the addition of Vorbis files to the Neuros. *nix users can use Xiph.org's [http://www.xiph.org/positron/ Positron], Sean Starkey's Java [http://neurosdbm.sf.net/ Neuros Database Manipulator], or [http://www.sorune.com/ Sorune], all of which provide full Neuros database support and other features. Neuros II discontinued. Neuros III is planned but indefinite but they have a [http://open.neurosaudio.com/archives/Product%20Roadmap3-15-2005.htm roadmap].

* [http://www.nextway.co.kr/ Nextway's] D Cube NHD-150D
:This player uses a small 1,5 GB harddisk and supports MP3, WMA and Ogg Vorbis. It connects trough USB 2.0 and can broadcast music through a FM sender.

* [http://www.pontis.de/ Pontis'] MX2020
:There is now a firmware update for the MX2020 that adds Ogg Vorbis support, which is a portable player for movies, music and photos.

* [http://www.modix-hd.com/ Rapsody's] RSH-100
:It is similar to the Modix HD-3510, but supports USB host functionality additionally. This web site is dead. The Savit Micro Rapsody [http://www.savitmicro.co.kr/eng/product/tv/tv_rapsody.htm RSH-100] can be seen on their site.

* [http://www.digitalnetworksna.com/rioaudio/ Rio's] Karma
:The Rio [http://www.digitalnetworksna.com/shop/item.asp?model=261 Karma] is a portable player with a harddisk of 20 GB. It can decode MP3, Ogg Vorbis and FLAC. USB 2.0 is used to connect to PCs, but a docking station is also included which offers ethernet and RCA line-out support. IGN has written a [http://gear.ign.com/articles/458/458401p1.html review] about the gadget, articles about the Karma can be found at [http://www.riovolution.com Riovolution]. Note that firmware versions prior to 1.25 cause stability problems for some people, visit the [http://www.digitalnetworksna.com/support/rio/product.asp?prodID=113 support page] to get the newest version. The Karma was discontinued in March 2005, Rio (DNNA) effectively dissolved 27-July-2005 assets sold to [http://www.sigmatel.com/ SigmaTel].

* [http://www.safa.com.hk/index_110R.html Safa] HMP-110R
:A portable player with 1.5GB memory, FM-receiver, recording function, upgradeable firmware, etc.

* [http://www.samsung.com Samsung] YH-J70
:A portable Multimedia Jukebox as seen on their [http://www.samsung.com/common/microsite/exhibition/cebit2005/base.asp?pcode=IT01 Cebit 2005 Microsite]. Comes with 20/30GB disk, colour display, video player and USB host function. Samsung's support for Ogg Vorbis is reported to be buggy. [http://www.samsunghq.com/forum/showthread.php?t=369] The Samsung YH925 is falsely advertised to support Ogg Vorbis. [http://www.paul.sladen.org/toys/samsung-yh-925/]

* [http://www.sitecom.com/ Sitecom's] MP-330, MP-010
:The MP-330 player uses a 4,4 GB harddrive, USB 2.0 and supports MP3, WMA and (Ogg Vorbis is claimed in the manual but it doesn't play ogg). The MP-010 is a portable media player. As such it supports music, movies and pictures. This includes MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis, MPEG-1/-2/-4. It has a capacity of 40GB, comes with a remote control and has various ports for the TV.

* [http://www.teac.de/ TEAC] MP-1000, MP-2000
:TEAC MP-1000 is an ultra-compact harddrive player with 1.5GB capacity and only 70g mass. The follow-up model MP-2000 has 5 GB storage and supports the same formats (MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis).

* [http://www.trekstor.de/ TrekStor's] iBeat 500, iBeat 300, vibez
:The iBeat 500 is a portable harddisk player with 20 GB of storage. It supports MP3, WMA and Ogg Vorbis and uses USB 2.0 to connect to PCs. It has a FM radio and an in-built mic. It seems to be available only in Germany (looks like a rebadged Xclef HD-800). The iBeat 300 uses a 1,5 GB HDD and has a color display. The vibez is available in 8GB, 12GB and 15GB versions. All can play MP3, WMA, WAV, OGG and FLAC files.

* [http://www.unibrain.com/iZak Unibrain's] iZak
:This is a portable USB hard disk with 40/80/100 GB of storage. It plays a wide range of video formats, including dixv/xvid/bvix/dvd iso. A good review can be found [http://www.mpeg-playcenter.com/modules/Reviews/reviews/Review_iZak.pdf here].
:The most current firmware release supports Ogg Vorbis playback according to [http://www.unibrain.com/support/iZak/iZak_FAQ.htm Unibrain's iZak FAQ].

* [http://www.agci.co.uk/customer/categories/audio/mp3players Vusys] i-DJ 370 and i-DJ 670
:4GB and 20GB harddrive players listed as playing OGG on the site. 370 weighs 150g and plays for 10 hours, 670 weighs 165g and plays for 12 hours.

* [http://www.xclef.com/ Xclef's] HD-800, HD-500
:This is a harddisk player with 20/40/60 GB storage size, and can decode MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis and WAV. It has a FM radio and a mic for recording voice. Though not mentioned on the web site, the HD-500 does decode Ogg Vorbis. — Site is dead, and as of 2007.05.23 no results come up in Google Product Search.

== CD/DVD Audio Players ==

* [http://www.ifreemax.com/ Freemax's] FW-960
:This CD-R portable supports Ogg Vorbis playback out of the box. It has 48 hours of WMA playback if an external battery pack (2 AA batteries) is used. The FreeMax FW-960 is also known as the mpman MP-CD550.

* [http://www.exonion.com/ Havin's] (link dead) Exonion HVC-400E, [http://www.princeton.co.jp/ Princeton's] Pocket Beat airCD
:The Havin HVC-400E, also known as the Princeton airCD is probably on sale in Japan since late November, 2003.

* [http://www.iriver.com/product/info.asp?p_name=iMP-550 iRiver] iMP-250, iMP-350, iMP-400, iMP-550, iMP-700(T)
:Ogg Vorbis is supported only through latest beta firmwares, still some bitrate restriction which may vary depending on the model (min=96kbps, max=160kbps). The iMP-550 supports maximum bitrate up to 256kps (still 96kbps as minimum). Also note the latest iMP-450 does not support OGG for the moment, a future upgrade may correct this... The iMP-700T with firmware 1.40 supports bitrates between 96 and 210 kbps, and .ogg files are generally not as loud as .mp3 files.

* [http://www.samsungusa.com/ Samsung's] MCD-CM600
:The MCD-CM600 is now available in Korea. It is a CD portable that can play Vorbis, MP3, and WMA.

* [http://www.roadstar.com/ Roadstar] PCD-5960WOMPT

== Mobile Phones ==

* [http://www.samsung.com Samsung] introduced phones on the 2006 3GSM that play .ogg files: [http://presse.samsung.de/upload/dokumente/200602013_SGH-i320-A.jpg SGH-i320] and [http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/02/13/samsung-shows-off-sph-s4300-musicphone/ SPH-S4300]

* SymbianOS based mobile phones from '''Nokia''' or '''Sony Ericsson''' or '''Siemens''' can play .ogg files with the [http://symbianoggplay.sourceforge.net/ Symbian OggPlay Software] which is open source). For supported mobile phones please visit the project website. The software works very well — even the still-in-development version which is strongly recommended.

== Automobiles ==

This is now part of the [[StaticPlayers]] page.

== Others ==

* PDAs / Cell Phones / Game Consoles
:Other devices that run software to play Ogg Vorbis can be used as portable players as well. Please go to [[VorbisSoftwarePlayers]] page for more information.

* [http://www.rockbox.org/ Rockbox] alternative firmware for iPods and other DAPs
:The Rockbox project works hard to provide an alternative firmware for some portable players. Rockbox has a rich feature set that is hard to find elsewhere, including gapless playback, Ogg Vorbis, FLAC and even [http://www.musepack.net/ Musepack] support. Currently many models by [http://www.iriver.com/ iRiver], [http://www.archos.com/ Archos] and since recently the [http://www.apple.com/de/ipod/ Ipod] are supported. Support for the iAudio X5 is in an alpha stage as of April 2006.

* [http://www.ipodlinux.org/ iPodLinux]
:You can install special Linux distribution on almost all of Apple iPods. In combination with Podzilla jukebox software it plays OGG (and many more audio file formats).
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