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Letter to Nokia

2007-06-17T12:48:05Z

Alexander van Loon:

After some [http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/advocacy/2007-May/thread.html discussion] on the Advocacy mailing list, I decided to start drafting a letter to Nokia here to convince Nokia to implement support for Ogg Vorbis (possibly more Xiph.org technologies, but Vorbis is the most important to me) in their mobile phones. The draft here is inspired by the [[MailOgging]] page. This is a letter to Nokia, but letters to other manufacturers of mobile phones or media players should follow.

== Contents of the letter ==

* What we are asking Nokia to do
* The reasons why Ogg Vorbis should be supported
* Why it shouldn't be a problem to implement support

== Considerations ==

* Preferably it should not be addressed to Nokia's customer service, but a person inside Nokia who has authority to make decisions on matters like this.
* We should CC this letter to important news websites, like LWN and Slashdot for example, to obtain more public awareness.
* We should also start a petition at [http://www.petitiononline.com/ PetitionOnline] to show how many people desire support for Ogg Vorbis in Nokia products, and that it's not merely some hardcore Ogg Vorbis fans who want to see support from Nokia. We should give a reference the petition in the letter.
* Maybe we should provide more info on legal matters, regarding possible concerns of vendors like Nokia over patent encumbrances.
* The Free Software Foundation started the [http://www.fsf.org/news/playogg.html Play Ogg campaign], possibly we could make a reference to this in the letter, if it's relevant.
* Please see the talk page for discussion about this issues.

== The letter ==

<Nokia's adress>

<month name> <day number>, 2007

Subject: support of the Ogg Vorbis audio codec in Nokia mobile products

Dear Sir/Madam,

Through this letter, I, Alexander van Loon, would like to request your attention for the missing support of the Ogg Vorbis [1] audio codec in Nokia's products. I ask Nokia to consider implementing support for the Ogg Vorbis audio codec in its products.

Unlike the proprietary MP3, AAC and WMA audio codecs, the Ogg Vorbis audio codec is completely free to implement, it is not encumbered by patents and does not require license fees of any kind. Because of the problems with the aforementioned proprietary audio codecs requiring license fees, it is not possible for many open source operating systems to support those proprietary audio codecs. Hence, the Ogg Vorbis audio codec is the preferred format for the users of those operating systems. For example, popular websites like Jamendo [2] and the Magnatune music store [3] offer music encoded with the Ogg Vorbis audio codec. There are many other hardware manufacturers which have designed products that support the Ogg Vorbis audio codec [4].

Currently it is already possible to play music encoded with the Ogg Vorbis audio codec on Nokia mobile phones by using the third-party software OggPlay [5]. However, it would be preferable if Nokia mobile products would support playback of Ogg Vorbis audio files, so that users would not need to rely on third-party software.

Even though the amount of Nokia's customers that would benefit from Ogg Vorbis support appears to be small, Nokia should take into account that support for Ogg Vorbis will win Nokia a lot of goodwill in the open source/free software community, if not an advantage over the mobile phone market, and that Ogg Vorbis implementation is royalty-free.

Sincerely,

Alexander van Loon 
<my adress>

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbis 
[2] http://www.jamendo.com/en/ 
[3] http://www.magnatune.com/ 
[4] http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/PortablePlayers 
[5] http://symbianoggplay.sourceforge.net/

Letter to Nokia

2007-06-17T12:40:05Z

Alexander van Loon:

After some [http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/advocacy/2007-May/thread.html discussion] on the Advocacy mailing list, I decided to start drafting a letter to Nokia here to convince Nokia to implement support for Ogg Vorbis (possibly more Xiph.org technologies, but Vorbis is the most important to me) in their mobile phones. The draft here is inspired by the [[MailOgging]] page. This is a letter to Nokia, but letters to other manufacturers of mobile phones or media players should follow.

== Contents of the letter ==

* What we are asking Nokia to do
* The reasons why Ogg Vorbis should be supported
* Why it shouldn't be a problem to implement support

== Considerations ==

* Preferably it should not be addressed to Nokia's customer service, but a person inside Nokia who has authority to make decisions on matters like this.
* We should CC this letter to important news websites, like LWN and Slashdot for example, to obtain more public awareness.
* We should also start a petition at [http://www.petitiononline.com/ PetitionOnline] to show how many people desire support for Ogg Vorbis in Nokia products, and that it's not merely some hardcore Ogg Vorbis fans who want to see support from Nokia. We should give a reference the petition in the letter.
* Maybe we should provide more info on legal matters, regarding possible concerns of vendors like Nokia over patent encumbrances.
* The Free Software Foundation started the [http://www.fsf.org/news/playogg.html Play Ogg campaign], possibly we could make a reference to this in the letter, if it's relevant.
* Please see the talk page for discussion about this issues.

== The letter ==

<Nokia's adress>

<month name> <day number>, 2007

Subject: support of the Ogg Vorbis audio codec in Nokia mobile products

Dear Sir/Madam,

The Xiph.Org Foundation would like to ask your attention for the missing support of the Ogg Vorbis [1] audio codec in Nokia's products. We would like to ask Nokia to consider implementing support for the Ogg Vorbis audio codec in its products.

Unlike the proprietary MP3, AAC and WMA audio codecs, the Ogg Vorbis audio codec is completely free to implement, it is not encumbered by patents and does not require license fees of any kind. Because of the problems with the aforementioned proprietary audio codecs requiring license fees, it is not possible for many open source operating systems to support those proprietary audio codecs. Hence, the Ogg Vorbis audio codec is the preferred format for the users of those operating systems. For example, popular websites like Jamendo [2] and the Magnatune music store [3] offer music encoded with the Ogg Vorbis audio codec. There are many other hardware manufacturers which have designed products that support the Ogg Vorbis audio codec [4].

Currently it is already possible to play music encoded with the Ogg Vorbis audio codec on Nokia mobile phones by using the third-party software OggPlay [5]. However, it would be preferable if Nokia mobile products would support playback of Ogg Vorbis audio files, so that users would not need to rely on third-party software.

Even though the amount of Nokia's customers that would benefit from Ogg Vorbis support appears to be small, Nokia should take into account that support for Ogg Vorbis will win Nokia a lot of goodwill in the open source/free software community, if not an advantage over the mobile phone market, and that Ogg Vorbis implementation is royalty-free.

Sincerely,

Alexander van Loon 
<my adress>

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbis 
[2] http://www.jamendo.com/en/ 
[3] http://www.magnatune.com/ 
[4] http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/PortablePlayers 
[5] http://symbianoggplay.sourceforge.net/

Letter to Nokia

2007-06-17T12:36:14Z

Alexander van Loon:

After some [http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/advocacy/2007-May/thread.html discussion] on the Advocacy mailing list, I decided to start drafting a letter to Nokia here to convince Nokia to implement support for Ogg Vorbis (possibly more Xiph.org technologies, but Vorbis is the most important to me) in their mobile phones. The draft here is inspired by the [[MailOgging]] page. This is a letter to Nokia, but letters to other manufacturers of mobile phones or media players should follow.

== Contents of the letter ==

* What we are asking Nokia to do
* The reasons why Ogg Vorbis should be supported
* Why it shouldn't be a problem to implement support

== Considerations ==

* Preferably it should not be addressed to Nokia's customer service, but a person inside Nokia who has authority to make decisions on matters like this.
* We should CC this letter to important news websites, like LWN and Slashdot for example, to obtain more public awareness.
* Perhaps we should also start a petition at [http://www.petitiononline.com/ PetitionOnline] to show how many people desire support for Ogg Vorbis in Nokia products, and that it's not merely some hardcore Ogg Vorbis fans who want to see support from Nokia.
* Maybe we should provide more info on legal matters, regarding possible concerns of vendors like Nokia over patent encumbrances.
* The Free Software Foundation started the [http://www.fsf.org/news/playogg.html Play Ogg campaign], possibly we could make a reference to this in the letter, if it's relevant.
* Please see the talk page for discussion about this issues.

== The letter ==

<Nokia's adress>

<month name> <day number>, 2007

Subject: support of the Ogg Vorbis audio codec in Nokia mobile products

Dear Sir/Madam,

The Xiph.Org Foundation would like to ask your attention for the missing support of the Ogg Vorbis [1] audio codec in Nokia's products. We would like to ask Nokia to consider implementing support for the Ogg Vorbis audio codec in its products.

Unlike the proprietary MP3, AAC and WMA audio codecs, the Ogg Vorbis audio codec is completely free to implement, it is not encumbered by patents and does not require license fees of any kind. Because of the problems with the aforementioned proprietary audio codecs requiring license fees, it is not possible for many open source operating systems to support those proprietary audio codecs. Hence, the Ogg Vorbis audio codec is the preferred format for the users of those operating systems. For example, popular websites like Jamendo [2] and the Magnatune music store [3] offer music encoded with the Ogg Vorbis audio codec. There are many other hardware manufacturers which have designed products that support the Ogg Vorbis audio codec [4].

Currently it is already possible to play music encoded with the Ogg Vorbis audio codec on Nokia mobile phones by using the third-party software OggPlay [5]. However, it would be preferable if Nokia mobile products would support playback of Ogg Vorbis audio files, so that users would not need to rely on third-party software.

Even though the amount of Nokia's customers that would benefit from Ogg Vorbis support appears to be small, Nokia should take into account that support for Ogg Vorbis will win Nokia a lot of goodwill in the open source/free software community, if not an advantage over the mobile phone market, and that Ogg Vorbis implementation is royalty-free.

Sincerely,

Alexander van Loon 
<my adress>

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbis 
[2] http://www.jamendo.com/en/ 
[3] http://www.magnatune.com/ 
[4] http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/PortablePlayers 
[5] http://symbianoggplay.sourceforge.net/

Talk:Letter to Nokia

2007-06-17T12:29:13Z

Alexander van Loon:

== Addressee of the letter ==

Saoshyant and Fp, thank you for your help with editing the letter. I just made some more adjustments, and as it is now I consider the letter more or less finished. The last question which remains is, to which person inside of Nokia, or which part of Nokia's organisation we should address this letter.

Of course we could address this letter to Nokia's customer service, but I have a feeling the letter would probably be cathing dust in a desk drawer. I was thinking, couldn't we address the letter to some part of Nokia's organisation or a person which has the authority to make decisions concerning the design of Nokia's cellphones, I want to address it to the 'insiders'.

Possibly there are some people who could help us with this. I received an reply to my e-mail to the advocacy list from [http://perkypants.org/ Jeff Waugh] (even though his reply was sent to the list, it does not appear in the list archives). AFAIK Jeff Waugh is involved with the GNOME Mobile & Embedded Iniative, which Nokia is involved with. Judging from what I read on Planet GNOME, [http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/ Lucas Rocha] is a GNOME developer which is employed by Nokia. Possibly we could ask these people for advice on what address we should direct our letter to.

Does anyone else have any thoughts on this?

[[User:Alexander van Loon|Alexander van Loon]] 05:29, 17 June 2007 (PDT)

== Legal concerns ==

Jeff Waugh mentioned in his e-mail (not visible in the list archives) that vendors are reluctant to ship Xiph codecs because their patent encumberances aren't clear. Brian Zisk mentions in [http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/advocacy/2007-May/001290.html his e-mail to the list] that a law firm has done research on this. Possibly we could use this research as evidence that patent encumberances aren't a problem. I'll send an e-mail to Brian Zisk.

Does anyone else have any ideas on how we could provide evidence to Nokia in our letter that there won't be any legal problems?

[[User:Alexander van Loon|Alexander van Loon]] 05:29, 17 June 2007 (PDT)

== Free Software Foundation's Play Ogg campaign ==

Possibly we could make a reference to [http://www.fsf.org/news/playogg.html their campaign]? Maybe a reference to the campaign could add value to our letter?

[[User:Alexander van Loon|Alexander van Loon]] 05:29, 17 June 2007 (PDT)

Letter to Nokia

2007-06-17T11:53:26Z

Alexander van Loon:

After some [http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/advocacy/2007-May/thread.html discussion] on the Advocacy mailing list, I decided to start drafting a letter to Nokia here to convince Nokia to implement support for Ogg Vorbis (possibly more Xiph.org technologies, but Vorbis is the most important to me) in their mobile phones. The draft here is inspired by the [[MailOgging]] page. This is a letter to Nokia, but letters to other manufacturers of mobile phones or media players should follow.

== Contents of the letter ==

* What we are asking Nokia to do
* The reasons why Ogg Vorbis should be supported
* Why it shouldn't be a problem to implement support

== Sending the letter ==

* Preferably it should not be addressed to Nokia's customer service, but a person inside Nokia who has authority to make decisions on matters like this.
* We should CC this letter to important news websites, like LWN and Slashdot for example, to obtain more public awareness.
* Perhaps we should also start a petition at [http://www.petitiononline.com/ PetitionOnline] to show how many people desire support for Ogg Vorbis in Nokia products, and that it's not merely some hardcore Ogg Vorbis fans who want to see support from Nokia.
* The Free Software Foundation started the [http://www.fsf.org/news/playogg.html Play Ogg campaign], possibly we could make a reference to this in the letter, if it's relevant.

== The letter ==

<Nokia's adress>

<month name> <day number>, 2007

Subject: support of the Ogg Vorbis audio codec in Nokia mobile products

Dear Sir/Madam,

The Xiph.Org Foundation would like to ask your attention for the missing support of the Ogg Vorbis [1] audio codec in Nokia's products. We would like to ask Nokia to consider implementing support for the Ogg Vorbis audio codec in its products.

Unlike the proprietary MP3, AAC and WMA audio codecs, the Ogg Vorbis audio codec is completely free to implement, it is not encumbered by patents and does not require license fees of any kind. Because of the problems with the aforementioned proprietary audio codecs requiring license fees, it is not possible for many open source operating systems to support those proprietary audio codecs. Hence, the Ogg Vorbis audio codec is the preferred format for the users of those operating systems. For example, popular websites like Jamendo [2] and the Magnatune music store [3] offer music encoded with the Ogg Vorbis audio codec. There are many other hardware manufacturers which have designed products that support the Ogg Vorbis audio codec [4].

Currently it is already possible to play music encoded with the Ogg Vorbis audio codec on Nokia mobile phones by using the third-party software OggPlay [5]. However, it would be preferable if Nokia mobile products would support playback of Ogg Vorbis audio files, so that users would not need to rely on third-party software.

Even though the amount of Nokia's customers that would benefit from Ogg Vorbis support appears to be small, Nokia should take into account that support for Ogg Vorbis will win Nokia a lot of goodwill in the open source/free software community, if not an advantage over the mobile phone market, and that Ogg Vorbis implementation is royalty-free.

Sincerely,

Alexander van Loon 
<my adress>

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbis 
[2] http://www.jamendo.com/en/ 
[3] http://www.magnatune.com/ 
[4] http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/PortablePlayers 
[5] http://symbianoggplay.sourceforge.net/

Letter to Nokia

2007-06-17T11:41:22Z

Alexander van Loon:

After some [http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/advocacy/2007-May/thread.html discussion] on the Advocacy mailing list, I decided to start drafting a letter to Nokia here to convince Nokia to implement support for Ogg Vorbis (possibly more Xiph.org technologies, but Vorbis is the most important to me) in their mobile phones. The draft here is inspired by the [[MailOgging]] page. This is a letter to Nokia, but letters to other manufacturers of mobile phones or media players should follow.

== Contents of the letter ==

* What we are asking Nokia to do
* The reasons why Ogg Vorbis should be supported
* Why it shouldn't be a problem to implement support

== Sending the letter ==

* Preferably it should not be addressed to Nokia's customer service, but a person inside Nokia who has authority to make decisions on matters like this.
* We should CC this letter to important news websites, like LWN and Slashdot for example, to obtain more public awareness.
* Perhaps we should also start a petition at [http://www.petitiononline.com/ PetitionOnline] to show how many people desire support for Ogg Vorbis in Nokia products, and that it's not merely some hardcore Ogg Vorbis fans who want to see support from Nokia.

== The letter ==

<Nokia's adress>

<month name> <day number>, <year number>

Subject: support of the Ogg Vorbis audio codec in Nokia mobile products

Dear Sir/Madam,

The Xiph.Org Foundation would like to ask your attention for the missing support of the Ogg Vorbis [1] audio codec in Nokia's products. We would like to ask Nokia to consider implementing support for the Ogg Vorbis audio codec in its products.

Unlike the proprietary MP3, AAC and WMA audio codecs, the Ogg Vorbis audio codec is completely free to implement, it is not encumbered by patents and does not require license fees of any kind. Because of the problems with the aforementioned proprietary audio codecs requiring license fees, it is not possible for many open source operating systems to support those proprietary audio codecs. Hence, the Ogg Vorbis audio codec is the preferred format for the users of those operating systems. For example, popular websites like Jamendo [2] and the Magnatune music store [3] offer music encoded with the Ogg Vorbis audio codec. There are many other hardware manufacturers which have designed products that support the Ogg Vorbis audio codec [4].

Currently it is already possible to play music encoded with the Ogg Vorbis audio codec on Nokia mobile phones by using the third-party software OggPlay [5]. However, it would be preferable if Nokia mobile products would support playback of Ogg Vorbis audio files, so that users would not need to rely on third-party software.

Even though the amount of Nokia's customers that would benefit from Ogg Vorbis support appears to be small, Nokia should take into account that support for Ogg Vorbis will win Nokia a lot of goodwill in the open source/free software community, if not an advantage over the mobile phone market, and that Ogg Vorbis implementation is royalty-free.

Sincerely,

Alexander van Loon
<my adress>

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbis

[2] http://www.jamendo.com/en/

[3] http://www.magnatune.com/

[4] http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/PortablePlayers

[5] http://symbianoggplay.sourceforge.net/

Letter to Nokia

2007-05-11T13:33:55Z

Alexander van Loon:

After some [http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/advocacy/2007-May/thread.html discussion] on the Advocacy mailing list, I decided to start drafting a letter to Nokia here to convince Nokia to implement support for Ogg Vorbis (possibly more Xiph.org technologies, but Vorbis is the most important to me) in their mobile phones. The draft here is inspired by the [[MailOgging]] page. This is a letter to Nokia, but letters to other manufacturers of mobile phones or media players should follow.

== Contents of the letter ==

* What we are asking Nokia to do
* The reasons why Ogg Vorbis should be supported
* Why it shouldn't be a problem to implement support

== Sending the letter ==

Preferably this letter would be sent by the Xiph.Org Foundation, not under a personal title. And preferably it should not be addressed to Nokia's customer service, but a person inside Nokia who has authority to make decisions on matters like this.

== The letter ==

<date>
<salutation>

The Xiph.Org Foundation would like to ask your attention for the missing support of the Ogg Vorbis audio codec in Nokia's products. We would like to ask Nokia to consider implementing support for the Ogg Vorbis audio codec in it's products.

Unlike the popular proprietary MP3, AAC and WMA audio codecs, the Ogg Vorbis audio codec is completely free to implement, it is not encumbered by patents and does not require license fees. Because of the problems with the aforementioned proprietary audio codecs requiring license fees, it is not possible for many open source operating systems to support those proprietary audio codecs. Hence, the Ogg Vorbis audio codec is the preferred format for the users of those operating systems. For example, popular websites like Jamendo [1] and the Magnatune music store [2] offer music encoded with the Ogg Vorbis audio codec. There are also many other hardware manufacturers which have designed products which support the Ogg Vorbis audio codec [3].

Currently it is already possible to play music encoded with the Ogg Vorbis audio codec on Nokia mobile phones by using the OggPlay software [4]. However, it would be preferable if Nokia itself would support playback of Ogg Vorbis encoded audio files, so that it would not be necessary to rely on third party software.

Even though the amount of Nokia's customers which would benefit from Ogg Vorbis support is small, Nokia should take into account that support for Ogg Vorbis would win Nokia a lot of goodwill in the open source/free software community, and that Ogg Vorbis is free to implement.

<salutation>

[1] http://www.jamendo.com/en/

[2] http://www.magnatune.com/

[3] http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/PortablePlayers

[4] http://symbianoggplay.sourceforge.net/

Letter to Nokia

2007-05-11T13:30:50Z

Alexander van Loon:

Letter to Nokia

2007-05-11T13:30:00Z

Alexander van Loon:

Letter to Nokia

2007-05-11T12:40:34Z

Alexander van Loon: