The goal for this page is to discuss how to improve the Vorbis Comment specification.
It has been proposed to replace Vorbis comments with an XML based format like MDMF.
The specification contains a recommended set of comments .
Some proposals for extra field names:
- Ogg Vorbis Comment Field Recommendations
- Proposals for extending Ogg Vorbis comments
- Spotlight importer (not a proposal, but noteworthy implementation)
Comments are intended to be free-form, but for the purposes of interoperability, it is helpful to define tag sets for particular applications, and provide some guidelines for machine parsing.
The goal is to be offer better support for more languages and make machine processing faster.
Specification should be a little more strick to achevie this.
All field names must be UTF-8 and all UPPERCASE for easier machine processing.
Allowing tag names to be UTF-8 instead of ASCII is a backwards-incompatible spec change. If we did this, requiring that the case mapping happen in the tagging application rather than in decoders is reasonable, since case mapping in unicode is non-trival.
The original argument for ASCII was that we need standardized tag names for interoperability, so there's no point in being able to localize them, and we might as well go with our native prejudice. Localizing the values should be done by appending a language code to the tag, since this is both machinable and there may be collisions between translated tag names.
- UTF-8 is a bad idea in field names. The field names are for machine interpretation, localisation should be done on the software side. UTF-8 introduces matching problems (canonical form) and encoding/decoding problems (difficulty in finding length of a string). Please sign comments; I think the above is a cumulative set of comments, but no idea.--Imalone 01:11, 17 September 2007 (PDT)
Dates and time
The goal is to specify a format for describing dates.
The date format for any field describing a date must follow the ISO scheme: YYYY-MM-DD or shortened to just YYYY-MM or simply YYYY.
We have been recommending this usage with the DATE tag for some time. It is proposed that the spec be amended to include this information for machinability.
The time format for any field except track duration must be specified with leading T and ending with a time zone. Schemas with and without dates: YYYY-MM-DDTHH:MM:SS+TS THH:MM+TZ
New ENCODER field name proposal
The goal is to attribute encoder software. This value can be used in the future to determine which files can be improved by being reencoded with a newer version.
- Comment: what's lacking from the vendor string present in the spec from the start? All libvorbis and encoder tunings I'm aware of have recorded the encoder version here.
The encoder field name must be a unique URL providing both encoder software name and version. If no unique URL address is available were both name and version is available; then the version number can be spsified by separating with a space character. For examples:
Note that ffmpeg2theora uses ENCODER, but does not include a url. I've also seen ENCODED_BY.
Improving license data
The goal is to provide a method for proclaiming license and copyright information (basically clarifying ‘distribution rights (if any) and ownership’).
The specification document describes LICENSE and COPYRIGHT fields. But is not clear enough about whether these should be machine-readable.
We should consider working together with Creative Commons to have complementary and interlinked information on the CC and Xiph wikis. Refer to the Ogg page in the CC wiki.
New RIGHTS field name proposal
One proposal is to replace the COPYRIGHT and LICENSE field names with RIGHTS. RIGHTS must be a human-readable copyright statement. Basic example:
RIGHTS=Copyright © Recording Company Inc. All distribution rights reserved.
But this is not machine-readable. Adding two complementary field names should do the trick: RIGHTS-DATE, describing the date of copyright; and RIGHTS-URI, providing a method for linking to a license. Software agents can assume that multiple songs uses the sameURIs, such as in the case for Creative Commons. Full example:
RIGHTS=Copyright © 2019 Recording Company Inc. All distribution rights reserved.
Software such as for multimedia management and playback are encouraged to display the RIGHTS statement as a linked phrase using RIGHTS-URI.
RIGHTS-DATE does not need to be displayed as it is required in the human readable version by international copyright agreements. RIGHTS-DATE can be used to determine when a copyrighted work falls under the public domain and related matters. (The Beatles' copyright on their original studio recordings (not the remixes) are soon expiering. So mechanisms such as the RIGHTS-DATE are indeed required in music management and filesharing software!)
To remain machine-readable it would be required to have at most one instance of each RIGHTS field name. All fields would of course remain optional.
The Dublin Core Metadata Initiative recommends the use of ‘rights’ to describe license and copyright matters. The web feed format Atom 1.0 has implemented a rights element in their specification.
Improving existing fields proposal
Similar to the DATE tag above, we have generally recommended that a URL uniquely identifying the license be included in the LICENSE field to allow machine identification of the license. This is in agreement with the proposal in the CC wiki. Since the COPYRIGHT field is a human-readable statement of the copyright, like the proposed RIGHTS tag above, some people include a license url there. Therefore if a url can't be found in a LICENSE tag if any, applications should use one from the COPYRIGHT tag, if any. Contact information for verification, attribution, relicensing, etc. can be obtained from the COPYRIGHT field, but CC also recommend a separate CONTACT tag for this information. This is reasonable, so we propose it be included.
Attributing involved parties
The goal is to attribute more persons and organisations involved in audio and music productions to make room for more advanced search and sorting.
NO PROPOSALS! Needs much extending beyond just ARTIST field name. See work at proposed XML replacement for Vorbis Comments, MDMF.