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== Ogg Playlist Idea ==
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Copied names and links into an [http://matthewcraig.com/streambrowser_save.xml Amarok playlist], which is in an XML file format.  I would like to share this file on the wiki, and hoping the file can be saved locally on the wiki server, for preservation.  This process has also made me consider whether other playlists might not get put together in other vorbis players.  The XML could be reproduced into other formats, using scripts.  Would like to open this up for discussion, since playlists might be a great way to spread the use of Vorbis within media player communities.  --[[User:Matthewcraig|Matthewcraig]] 12:23, 6 January 2009 (PST)
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== Link Updates ==
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=== New SoundExchange Restrictions ===
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Many USA-ian radio stations are turning off their Ogg Vorbis streams, due to new SoundExchange restrictions.  This insight came from Roger Marquis, IT Director, at KPFA.  Would it be more interesting to mark these streams as effected, to move them to discontinued, or to simply delete them?  [[User:Matthewcraig|Matthewcraig]] 19:34, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
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=== kpcw.org ===
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Looks like KPCW may be in the process of removing their Vorbis stream.  Would someone in that part of the world check in with them and update their entry on this wiki?  --[[User:matthewcraig|Matthew Craig]] 17:00, 4 Nov 2008 (EST)
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=== wgdr.org ===
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Well WGDR lists an Ogg stream on their website, but I am unable to get it to work.  Emails to their technical support have had no response.  --[[User:matthewcraig|Matthew Craig]] 17:10, 4 Nov 2008 (EST)
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: No change in status and the FAQ mentions only MP3.  Deleting link.  --[[User:Matthewcraig|Matthewcraig]] 18:47, 12 April 2009 (PDT)
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=== moeradio ===
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Reviewed their streams carefully and found no Vorbis service - just Mpeg and AAC.  Would like a second opinion from someone who has some idea about Latvian. --[[User:Matthewcraig|Matthewcraig]] 10:09, 31 December 2008 (PST)
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=== network 76 ===
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This website says the account is suspended.  Would someone please doublecheck this link in a month or so?  Remove if still down.  --[[User:Matthewcraig|Matthewcraig]] 10:12, 31 December 2008 (PST)
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: Checking back.  Status is the same.  Deletion recommended.  --[[User:Matthewcraig|Matthewcraig]] 07:09, 11 March 2009 (PDT)
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=== Radio Akropolis ===
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Not seeing a listen link listed anywhere on that page.  --[[User:Matthewcraig|Matthewcraig]] 10:22, 31 December 2008 (PST)
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=== RMX Radio ===
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Changed website domain, now cannot find any links to any streaming media.  --[[User:Matthewcraig|Matthewcraig]] 10:34, 31 December 2008 (PST)
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=== Radio Słuchaj ===
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Something must have happened to this website because the homepage has only an email address and some text.  --[[User:Matthewcraig|Matthewcraig]] 10:46, 31 December 2008 (PST)
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== Professional Streams Question ==
Is this strictly for professional streams?
Is this strictly for professional streams?
I would assume so, all independant streams could be listed in the directory.
I would assume so, all independant streams could be listed in the directory.
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
: Since I've been the main contributor (so far, I hope others will add more), the list mostly reflects my own listening interests. There are a bunch of semi-pro streams, for example student or community stations, and a few that seem to be one-man internet-only streams, for example Brazillbient Lounge.  So no, not strictly for professional streams.  --[[User:Andrel|Andrel]] 13:08, 26 Oct 2004 (PDT)
: Since I've been the main contributor (so far, I hope others will add more), the list mostly reflects my own listening interests. There are a bunch of semi-pro streams, for example student or community stations, and a few that seem to be one-man internet-only streams, for example Brazillbient Lounge.  So no, not strictly for professional streams.  --[[User:Andrel|Andrel]] 13:08, 26 Oct 2004 (PDT)
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== Comment ==
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[http://www.shop263.com/i-48/330.htm 自吸泵]
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In the listening tests at [http://www.rjamorim.com/test/32kbps/results.html] the following quote is found:
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[http://www.shop263.com/i-48/331.htm 钯触媒]
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[http://www.shop263.com/i-48/332.htm 型管道泵]
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''"Although Vorbis didn't perform well, almost getting under the big tie at second place, part of it can be credited to the fact that it was being tested at 22kHz. The severe lowpass at this bitrate seems to have introduced serious quality issues in the samples tested. One can hope Xiph enables 32kHz sampling for 32kbps, and further tunes such small bitrates."''
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[http://www.shop263.com/i-48/334.htm 单吸单级离心泵]
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Does anyone know if this has been done or if plans are underway to make Ogg Vorbis more dial-up online streaming friendly?
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Answer:
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The aoTuV encoder ( http://www.geocities.jp/aoyoume/aotuv/ ) has some advanced low bitrate tunings (quality modes -2 and -1) that support 44.1 kHz stereo output with bitrates as low as 32 kbps.
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== Open Question ==
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Is it worth noting some Internet trivia, pertaining to the audio streaming of one of websites listed?  I propose the following citation... --[[User:Matthewcraig|Matthew Craig]]
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On November 7 1994, [http://www.wxyc.org/about/first/ WXYC-FM] became the first radio station in the world to offer a live Internet simulcast of an off-air signal.
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: The Computer Science department at Brown University was simulcasting WBRU-FM around '90 or '91. It was done with an FM radio plugged into the mic jack of a SPARCstation. The stream was in Sun's Au format. --[[User:Andrel|Andrel]] 07:42, 9 September 2008 (PDT)
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:: While this sounds like an important milestone (citation needed), it sounds as if they were re-transmitting, not simulcasting. Simulcasting (simultaneous broadcast) happens at the source. The CS event seems to be more of a proof-of-concept than a content distribution strategy. IMHO, it is more interesting in what the content provider believes to be appropriate audio distribution, since that is their business. In 1994, WXYC was the first radio station to decide to broadcast using the Internet, an activity that became a standard later. Today, WXYC uses Ogg/Vorbis for their broadcasts, perhaps another indicator of future standards. --[[User:Matthewcraig|Matthew Craig]] 11:16, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
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:: Still interested in a citation to your claim, because there are others claim they had the first audio show transmitted on the Internet. Their dates are in 1993. With no citation, I am thinking your memory is faulty. --[[User:Matthewcraig|Matthewcraig]] 16:37, 11 December 2008 (PST)
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== Archived Streams ==
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I removed this section, after having no response to this discussion paragraph. The listed shows: Quirks and Quarks, LUG Radio, News from Neptune were not originally streaming media, and so how can they be classified as archived streams?  If this section is supposed to be for media archives of live events and live shows, then just about every Ogg Vorbis media file will be applicable. Unless I am mistaken about the purpose of this section, I suggest it is removed, since none of the list are streaming in the same sense of that the rest of the page means Vorbis Streams.
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Latest revision as of 19:34, 2 August 2009

Contents

Ogg Playlist Idea

Copied names and links into an Amarok playlist, which is in an XML file format. I would like to share this file on the wiki, and hoping the file can be saved locally on the wiki server, for preservation. This process has also made me consider whether other playlists might not get put together in other vorbis players. The XML could be reproduced into other formats, using scripts. Would like to open this up for discussion, since playlists might be a great way to spread the use of Vorbis within media player communities. --Matthewcraig 12:23, 6 January 2009 (PST)

Link Updates

New SoundExchange Restrictions

Many USA-ian radio stations are turning off their Ogg Vorbis streams, due to new SoundExchange restrictions. This insight came from Roger Marquis, IT Director, at KPFA. Would it be more interesting to mark these streams as effected, to move them to discontinued, or to simply delete them? Matthewcraig 19:34, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

kpcw.org

Looks like KPCW may be in the process of removing their Vorbis stream. Would someone in that part of the world check in with them and update their entry on this wiki? --Matthew Craig 17:00, 4 Nov 2008 (EST)

wgdr.org

Well WGDR lists an Ogg stream on their website, but I am unable to get it to work. Emails to their technical support have had no response. --Matthew Craig 17:10, 4 Nov 2008 (EST)

No change in status and the FAQ mentions only MP3. Deleting link. --Matthewcraig 18:47, 12 April 2009 (PDT)

moeradio

Reviewed their streams carefully and found no Vorbis service - just Mpeg and AAC. Would like a second opinion from someone who has some idea about Latvian. --Matthewcraig 10:09, 31 December 2008 (PST)

network 76

This website says the account is suspended. Would someone please doublecheck this link in a month or so? Remove if still down. --Matthewcraig 10:12, 31 December 2008 (PST)

Checking back. Status is the same. Deletion recommended. --Matthewcraig 07:09, 11 March 2009 (PDT)

Radio Akropolis

Not seeing a listen link listed anywhere on that page. --Matthewcraig 10:22, 31 December 2008 (PST)

RMX Radio

Changed website domain, now cannot find any links to any streaming media. --Matthewcraig 10:34, 31 December 2008 (PST)

Radio Słuchaj

Something must have happened to this website because the homepage has only an email address and some text. --Matthewcraig 10:46, 31 December 2008 (PST)

Professional Streams Question

Is this strictly for professional streams? I would assume so, all independant streams could be listed in the directory. Thoughts?

Since I've been the main contributor (so far, I hope others will add more), the list mostly reflects my own listening interests. There are a bunch of semi-pro streams, for example student or community stations, and a few that seem to be one-man internet-only streams, for example Brazillbient Lounge. So no, not strictly for professional streams. --Andrel 13:08, 26 Oct 2004 (PDT)


Comment

In the listening tests at [1] the following quote is found:

"Although Vorbis didn't perform well, almost getting under the big tie at second place, part of it can be credited to the fact that it was being tested at 22kHz. The severe lowpass at this bitrate seems to have introduced serious quality issues in the samples tested. One can hope Xiph enables 32kHz sampling for 32kbps, and further tunes such small bitrates."

Does anyone know if this has been done or if plans are underway to make Ogg Vorbis more dial-up online streaming friendly?

Answer:

The aoTuV encoder ( http://www.geocities.jp/aoyoume/aotuv/ ) has some advanced low bitrate tunings (quality modes -2 and -1) that support 44.1 kHz stereo output with bitrates as low as 32 kbps.

Open Question

Is it worth noting some Internet trivia, pertaining to the audio streaming of one of websites listed? I propose the following citation... --Matthew Craig

On November 7 1994, WXYC-FM became the first radio station in the world to offer a live Internet simulcast of an off-air signal.

The Computer Science department at Brown University was simulcasting WBRU-FM around '90 or '91. It was done with an FM radio plugged into the mic jack of a SPARCstation. The stream was in Sun's Au format. --Andrel 07:42, 9 September 2008 (PDT)
While this sounds like an important milestone (citation needed), it sounds as if they were re-transmitting, not simulcasting. Simulcasting (simultaneous broadcast) happens at the source. The CS event seems to be more of a proof-of-concept than a content distribution strategy. IMHO, it is more interesting in what the content provider believes to be appropriate audio distribution, since that is their business. In 1994, WXYC was the first radio station to decide to broadcast using the Internet, an activity that became a standard later. Today, WXYC uses Ogg/Vorbis for their broadcasts, perhaps another indicator of future standards. --Matthew Craig 11:16, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
Still interested in a citation to your claim, because there are others claim they had the first audio show transmitted on the Internet. Their dates are in 1993. With no citation, I am thinking your memory is faulty. --Matthewcraig 16:37, 11 December 2008 (PST)

Archived Streams

I removed this section, after having no response to this discussion paragraph. The listed shows: Quirks and Quarks, LUG Radio, News from Neptune were not originally streaming media, and so how can they be classified as archived streams? If this section is supposed to be for media archives of live events and live shows, then just about every Ogg Vorbis media file will be applicable. Unless I am mistaken about the purpose of this section, I suggest it is removed, since none of the list are streaming in the same sense of that the rest of the page means Vorbis Streams.

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