Talk:OggStream - Revision history

http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php?title=Talk:OggStream&feed=atom&action=history Talk:OggStream - Revision history 2013-06-19T12:20:12Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.16.1 http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php?title=Talk:OggStream&diff=3101&oldid=prev Maikmerten at 00:20, 28 November 2004 2004-11-28T00:20:16Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: white; color:black;"> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr valign='top'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">Revision as of 00:20, 28 November 2004</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 3:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 3:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>---</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>---</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Some words to explain why OggStream is necessary although there are other frameworks (not only Gstreamer) would perhaps clear the "why?"-issue. It seems there´s <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">is </del>some "confusion" about the goals of OggStream: http://www.advogato.org/person/rbultje/diary.html?start=57 - maikmerten at gmx.net</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Some words to explain why OggStream is necessary although there are other frameworks (not only Gstreamer) would perhaps clear the "why?"-issue. It seems there´s some "confusion" about the goals of OggStream: http://www.advogato.org/person/rbultje/diary.html?start=57 - maikmerten at gmx.net</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>---</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>---</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 18:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 18:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Also, [[OggStream]] will be usable to access non-standard streaming systems, such as [[IceShare]] and the various codecs over RTP (see [[SpeexRTP]], [[VorbisRTP]], or [[TheoraRTP]]).  Most existing media players and frameworks don't support this currently and doing so would mean independent implementations across the board.  Using a single library w/ universal (automatically downloaded) plugins is the way to go.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Also, [[OggStream]] will be usable to access non-standard streaming systems, such as [[IceShare]] and the various codecs over RTP (see [[SpeexRTP]], [[VorbisRTP]], or [[TheoraRTP]]).  Most existing media players and frameworks don't support this currently and doing so would mean independent implementations across the board.  Using a single library w/ universal (automatically downloaded) plugins is the way to go.</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">---</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Thank you for very much for your explanation, Arc. Taking complexity out of apps and putting it into one well engineered library indeed sounds like a good idea. maikmerten at gmx.net</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Maikmerten http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php?title=Talk:OggStream&diff=675&oldid=prev Arc at 17:17, 27 November 2004 2004-11-27T17:17:57Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: white; color:black;"> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr valign='top'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">Revision as of 17:17, 27 November 2004</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 4:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 4:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Some words to explain why OggStream is necessary although there are other frameworks (not only Gstreamer) would perhaps clear the "why?"-issue. It seems there´s is some "confusion" about the goals of OggStream: http://www.advogato.org/person/rbultje/diary.html?start=57 - maikmerten at gmx.net</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Some words to explain why OggStream is necessary although there are other frameworks (not only Gstreamer) would perhaps clear the "why?"-issue. It seems there´s is some "confusion" about the goals of OggStream: http://www.advogato.org/person/rbultje/diary.html?start=57 - maikmerten at gmx.net</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">---</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Because putting all our eggs in one basket is '''not''' a good idea.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">GStreamer is a good tool, and we already support it, but there are alternatives for political and technical-choice reasons.  Diversity is strength, not a weakness, and should be embraced.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">That said, we should also look at duplication of work.  GStreamer, ffmpeg, Real/Helix, Quicktime, Annodex (liboggz/libfishsound), SDL, VideoLan... the list goes on, all have independent multi-codec Ogg implementations.  This makes releasing a new codec difficult and slow, as each codec needs to be added to each seperate implementation and then properly debugged.  We don't want to continue working around the limitations this gives us, such as not being able to chain Ogg streams or chain audio/video streams to audio-only streams.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Many players, also, have their own internal frameworks.  Xine, XMMS, and MPlayer come to mind.  Their Ogg support is also inconsistant, incomplete, and often buggy.  We've spent alot of time getting this debugged in our own tools, even, and even ices2 still produces illegal (not to spec) Ogg streams.  </ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">To compete with proprietary media codecs, we need to be efficient with our time.  OggStream is not intended as a general purpose media framework, but rather a set of compatable plugins which operate through a standard interface.  It will be trivial for any existing media framework to connect to OggStream and use it to encode / decode / transcode / stream / losslessly edit / etc Ogg files.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Also, [[OggStream]] will be usable to access non-standard streaming systems, such as [[IceShare]] and the various codecs over RTP (see [[SpeexRTP]], [[VorbisRTP]], or [[TheoraRTP]]).  Most existing media players and frameworks don't support this currently and doing so would mean independent implementations across the board.  Using a single library w/ universal (automatically downloaded) plugins is the way to go.</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Arc http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php?title=Talk:OggStream&diff=667&oldid=prev Maikmerten: Gstreamer <-> OggStream 2004-11-27T10:35:04Z

<p>Gstreamer <-> OggStream</p> <table style="background-color: white; color:black;"> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr valign='top'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">Revision as of 10:35, 27 November 2004</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>I'd rather see Xiph help porting the Gstreamer framework to Windows. It's a great starting point on Linux and MacOS X already.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>I'd rather see Xiph help porting the Gstreamer framework to Windows. It's a great starting point on Linux and MacOS X already.</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">---</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Some words to explain why OggStream is necessary although there are other frameworks (not only Gstreamer) would perhaps clear the "why?"-issue. It seems there´s is some "confusion" about the goals of OggStream: http://www.advogato.org/person/rbultje/diary.html?start=57 - maikmerten at gmx.net</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Maikmerten http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php?title=Talk:OggStream&diff=655&oldid=prev 213.224.83.38 at 08:44, 26 November 2004 2004-11-26T08:44:20Z

<p></p> <p><b>New page</b></p><div>I'd rather see Xiph help porting the Gstreamer framework to Windows. It's a great starting point on Linux and MacOS X already.</div>

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