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According to [[Special:Popularpages]], the various pages in the Demonstration section are the most visited parts of the wiki, so I moved that section to the top of the main page.  --[[User:Andrel|Andrel]] 09:19, 26 April 2006 (PDT)
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== Work in Progress ==
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[[Work In Progress]] (as none of the other section headings
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are). Possibly it should be a normal heading with the link
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in a short text below (à la [[Main Page#Other software]]).
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[[User:Imalone|Imalone]] 05:22, 1 February 2006 (PST)
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You are free to fix that. It's a wiki after all -- [[User:Jmspeex|Jmspeex]] 19:22, 1 February 2006 (PST)
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Done (just didn't want to trample all over the front page) -- [[User:Imalone|Imalone]] 04:33, 2 February 2006 (PST)
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== Lock This Page ==
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On all/most other wikis the Main Page is locked so only admins can edit it. Due to the amount of vandalism, I think the [[Main Page]] should be locked and all changes discussed here. --[[User:SonicChao|SonicChao]] 05:11, 27 August 2006 (PDT)
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:Done !
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== Paranoia / cdparanoia ==
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Why is there no listing under software of paranoia or cdparanoia?  Also, there is no listing on the main xiph.org page.  Is that software acknowlegded? --[[User:WhiteDragon|WhiteDragon]] 19:52, 9 September 2006 (PDT)
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== Suggestion :-O ==
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First I want to congratulate you on the wonderful work being done. Thank you very much :-)
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Please allow anonymous edits (like wikipedia does) b'caus i'm too lazy to login :-)
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:I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the ton of hidden links I just culled has nothing to do with you... I can't speak for the people running Xiph but requiring a login reduces some of the flood of spam that shows up here, and Wikipedia has many more resources available to deal with it than this wiki does. [[User:Imalone|Imalone]] 06:06, 24 November 2006 (PST)
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== Proposal for a developer section ==
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As more developers start to "get it" about how ultra cool Ogg / Vorbis / Theora / etc is, wouldn't it be great to have a wiki section devoted to helping these budding programmers along?  eg: i've written some nice code i'd be happy to share.  Could contain a programming FAQ, how-to's, and real code.  Thoughts? [[User:Davec|Davec]] 13:44, 6 December 2006 (PST)
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MediaWiki supports free links, why are most page titles in the CamelCase format? - [[User:Sikon|Sikon]] 05:34, 27 February 2007 (PST)
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:CamelCase?  I don't see what you mean.  If you think something's wrong, you may go ahead and change it.  That's what wikis are for.--[[User:Saoshyant|Saoshyant]] 05:37, 27 February 2007 (PST)
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:[[WhatHappened|Historical reasons]].  The original wiki used software that only supported [http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?CamelCase CamelCase].  For new pages it is fine to use free links.  I suggest not renaming pages, as many of them have good search ranking. [[User:Andrel|Andrel]] 07:03, 27 February 2007 (PST)
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I see now.  And thanks for the WhatHappened link, Andrel.  I managed to recover two pages so far from web archive.  I wonder if I'll savage it further.--[[User:Saoshyant|Saoshyant]] 08:28, 27 February 2007 (PST)
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Shouldn't there be a link to [[Games_that_use_Theora]] in the section with other demonstrations?  Maybe there's not enough games listed on the page to warrant it?
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Revision as of 08:39, 23 December 2012

According to Special:Popularpages, the various pages in the Demonstration section are the most visited parts of the wiki, so I moved that section to the top of the main page. --Andrel 09:19, 26 April 2006 (PDT)

Contents

Work in Progress

It's not clear on first view (to me at least) that Main Page#Work in Progress is a link to Work In Progress (as none of the other section headings are). Possibly it should be a normal heading with the link in a short text below (à la Main Page#Other software).

Imalone 05:22, 1 February 2006 (PST)

You are free to fix that. It's a wiki after all -- Jmspeex 19:22, 1 February 2006 (PST)

Done (just didn't want to trample all over the front page) -- Imalone 04:33, 2 February 2006 (PST)

Lock This Page

On all/most other wikis the Main Page is locked so only admins can edit it. Due to the amount of vandalism, I think the Main Page should be locked and all changes discussed here. --SonicChao 05:11, 27 August 2006 (PDT)

Done !

Paranoia / cdparanoia

Why is there no listing under software of paranoia or cdparanoia? Also, there is no listing on the main xiph.org page. Is that software acknowlegded? --WhiteDragon 19:52, 9 September 2006 (PDT)

Suggestion :-O

First I want to congratulate you on the wonderful work being done. Thank you very much :-) Please allow anonymous edits (like wikipedia does) b'caus i'm too lazy to login :-)

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the ton of hidden links I just culled has nothing to do with you... I can't speak for the people running Xiph but requiring a login reduces some of the flood of spam that shows up here, and Wikipedia has many more resources available to deal with it than this wiki does. Imalone 06:06, 24 November 2006 (PST)

Proposal for a developer section

As more developers start to "get it" about how ultra cool Ogg / Vorbis / Theora / etc is, wouldn't it be great to have a wiki section devoted to helping these budding programmers along? eg: i've written some nice code i'd be happy to share. Could contain a programming FAQ, how-to's, and real code. Thoughts? Davec 13:44, 6 December 2006 (PST)

Why CamelCase?

MediaWiki supports free links, why are most page titles in the CamelCase format? - Sikon 05:34, 27 February 2007 (PST)

CamelCase? I don't see what you mean. If you think something's wrong, you may go ahead and change it. That's what wikis are for.--Saoshyant 05:37, 27 February 2007 (PST)
Historical reasons. The original wiki used software that only supported CamelCase. For new pages it is fine to use free links. I suggest not renaming pages, as many of them have good search ranking. Andrel 07:03, 27 February 2007 (PST)

I see now. And thanks for the WhatHappened link, Andrel. I managed to recover two pages so far from web archive. I wonder if I'll savage it further.--Saoshyant 08:28, 27 February 2007 (PST)

ICECast2 vs vBulletin

Hi there, Fisrt let me thank you all the great work and the self performance over the ICECast streaming server

I also Wonder if anyone had included ICECast directly into a vBulletin board having it worked from there on ..meaning enbable to use same username,permission and prefference from the database itself running on MySQL 5 having as if setting permission on for a usergroupe from there to enable them streaming out on your ICECast server and others can apply and yet just participate into the main forum itself

I do have both running-up over my dedicated server now meanwhile if any would want to help me out creating like this hack or template am willing to give them all access for working over it can YOU imagine how friendly and powerful that ICECast would mean then

hey give me a shout if willing to try it

admin@gysmo.net

News

Hi,

I would really strongly suggest adding this to your news items... Someone has made a graphical interface for ffmpeg2theora at http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Video/Other-VIDEO-Tools/GFrontEnd-for-ffmpeg2theora.shtml

I don't know the technical difficulties of building such a tool, but regardless, the ability for a common Windows user like myself to be able to just easily convert a proprietary file format to Ogg-Theora is really cool... I tested it out on the sample WMV file that came with this laptop, and the converted file worked great in Cortado... Of course, news about programs that allow one to record directly to Ogg-Theora would be even better, but this is still very important, imo... Brettz9 20:56, 4 July 2007 (PDT)

.NET :-(

> I would really strongly suggest adding this to your news items

Check it out: > Requirements: .NET Framework 2.0

Also, with 1.5 MiB size it's bigger than FFMPEG2THEORA itself (1.3 MiB after recompressing with UPX 3.0 --ultra-brute) - not that VERY good IMHO.

Sorry, do you mean MB as in Megabytes? That's a drop in the bucket of most hard drives nowadays, no? And .NET was already on my system for something I had downloaded earlier (not sure what, but maybe others may have it already too). My interest in seeing it announced is not how well it is implemented--if there are better alternatives let them be known--but that such a tool exists and it works (at least if you get the requirements).

MiB ||| .NET

> Sorry, do you mean MB as in Megabytes?

NO. [[1]]

> And .NET was already on my system for something I had downloaded earlier (not sure what, but maybe others may have it already too)

I don't have .NET and don't like it :-( Finally, the important thing is the FFMPEG2THEOA core and it works perfectly for me without .NET ;-)

Link to Games in Demonstrations Section?

Shouldn't there be a link to Games_that_use_Theora in the section with other demonstrations? Maybe there's not enough games listed on the page to warrant it? --Sim9 11:47, 27 October 2007 (PDT)

Yes. There's only two games listed right now. I'm pretty sure there's more out there. Sim9, can you help us listing more games?--Ivo 11:56, 28 October 2007 (PDT)
I'm sure you're right, there has to be more than two. Theora (and Vorbis) is now by default included in the Torque game engine, so there must be a lot of games using it by now. I just polled the Torque community to see if they know of any to help us fill up the list with some successful integrations! --Sim9 19:02, 29 October 2007 (PDT)

Add xvid it's opensource

Please add xvid to usable video format in ogv and others. It's an open source, mature codec and doesn't have encoder problems theora currently has. Embedding it makes possible to show off ogv files with a codec that shows the tru power of ogv.

Please make it possible to put this in, so .ogv can be used immediately with xvid and vorbis/speex/flac to create a mature and temporary solution until theora 1.0 hits the digital streets. Then users can just batch convert it with their applications whenever they feel/want to do it. (When they think theora is ready.) Could someone please look into this and tell me if this is possible and/or will be integrated? --Vmol 1 February 2008

Vmol, you should read about the issues a bit before filling up the whole wiki with so many questions. Most of your questions, concerns and statements have already been thought about. In this case here, Xvid cannot be considered because it is a patented format. That means it's not a free format like Theora and Xiph cannot use it. Theora is currently now undergoing the last stages of beta to version 1.0 and quality is already at pair with Xvid. Also, users can't simply transcode from one video format to another; you lose quality everytime you do it, because most video formats are lossy.--Ivo 12:37, 2 February 2008 (PST)

Random access Ogg Vorbis decoder written in Java.

And I am very glad that now you have an encoder written in Java. Can vorbis-java-1.0.0 also do the decoding? Is there an example of how to use vorbis-java decoder? If yes, can it seek, i.e. decode an Ogg Vorbis bitstream from a random position? --Sergey 12:53, 9 February 2008 (PST)

For lossless video compression, make it possible to have Lagarith codec as video

Lagarith is a lossless video codec. Please support it, with supporting I mean that it can be used in the ogg and annodex containers as a native video format. --Vmol 4 May 2008

There is also HuffYUV besides Lagarith. Also the new Dirac codec supports lossless compression, reportedly better than anything else. Agree, a lossless codec should be added. Just carefully select one of them ;-) DOS386 01:31, 4 May 2008 (PDT)
Lossless compression would still be a good thing to have for Theora.
Even if there are other formats available that can do lossless.
Not convinced about using another codec, a lossless mode for Theora is useful.
Link to Theora todo page where lossless mode is requested:
[2]
--Vmol 25 Jul 2009

Add link to "Reporting Abuse" page on the front page?

There's been a bunch of spam recently, but I couldn't find any way to report abuse. I've added a skeleton page at Reporting abuse, could we add a link to the front page?

Abuse

It's necessary to something about the excesive abuse of this Wiki, link approval is the minimal step for now. Also some additional barriers for registration should be considered. Also a stronger captcha, "3+4" isn't that efficient. DOS386 12:44, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Editing Theora?

Is Theora considered an 'editible' format? Theora seems to be lossy - Is there a lossless, open format for video for use as a 'source' file type? There are a couple editors listed, but they seem pretty 'fringe' - anything more mainstream? If one wanted to create a 'video warehouse' that was 'pure' with respect to open formats, which file type/codec type would i use? 2009-12-25 15:55 User:BenTes

> Theora seems to be lossy
It is lossy
> Is there a lossless, open format for video for use as a 'source' file type
See above, HuffYUV, Lagarith, and Dirac
> one wanted to create a 'video warehouse' that was 'pure' with
> respect to open formats,
 :-)
> which file type/codec type would i use?
For final video, Theora. For intermediate files:
* HuffYUV or Lagarith (can exist only inside AVI ??? but this could be changed)
* YUV4MPEG (is 'pure' but not compressed)
* Dirac in lossles mode (very slow)
2009-12-26 15:36 User:DOS386

Plumi (Plone Plugin) - Open Source Web Content Management Software - Shares / Plays OGG / Theora videos

Plone is an open source content management website. Plumi is a Plone plugin that supports sharing and playing OGG videos (OGV) using the open source Cortado applet.

"Plumi is a package of Plone products that enable you to create your own video sharing site. By adding it to an existing Plone instance you can quickly have a wide array of functionality to facilitate video distribution and community creation."

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Suggestions

  • 1. Remove Speex from the sidebar, move Opus on the top
  • 2. Create a AllXiphCodecs page, listing all codecs, including the historical, obsolete and abandoned ones
  • DOS386 2012-Dec-22 08:21
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