Talk:MIME Types and File Extensions - Revision history

Martin.leese: Tidy

2009-08-22T16:31:36Z

Tidy

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-	==Ideas==	+	== Ideas ==
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	I came upon this page looking for a speex encoder but, loosely following your arguments, you guys seem to be arguing about how ogg files should be identified. My advice is to copy what they do with XML.		I came upon this page looking for a speex encoder but, loosely following your arguments, you guys seem to be arguing about how ogg files should be identified. My advice is to copy what they do with XML.

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	video/ogg		video/ogg
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	If you use ogg for non-media files use:		If you use ogg for non-media files use:
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	== .flac - application/flac ==		== .flac - application/flac ==
		+
	Why not audio/flac?		Why not audio/flac?

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	== .spx - audio/ogg ==		== .spx - audio/ogg ==
		+
	Why not audio/spx?		Why not audio/spx?
	To distinguish it from ogg vorbis.		To distinguish it from ogg vorbis.
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	::::: (And also add new metadata formats in to have a reason for people to update.)		::::: (And also add new metadata formats in to have a reason for people to update.)

-	==text/cmml==	+	== text/cmml ==
		+
	text/cmml for CMML without container: the Codec mime types are to be used in Skeleton, can this mime type be applied to the CMML Ogg mapping? (It's not plain text in the way that Vorbis mapped into Ogg is exactly audio/vorbis.)		text/cmml for CMML without container: the Codec mime types are to be used in Skeleton, can this mime type be applied to the CMML Ogg mapping? (It's not plain text in the way that Vorbis mapped into Ogg is exactly audio/vorbis.)

-	== .oga - able to rip cd's with all of it's contents also metadata like picture of the album (also separate pictures for each song)? Yes. This is fantastic==	+	== .oga - able to rip cd's with all of it's contents also metadata like picture of the album (also separate pictures for each song)? Yes. This is fantastic ==

	Can multiple audio streams/files be packed to one oga?		Can multiple audio streams/files be packed to one oga?
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	:::Yes.--[[User:Saoshyant\|Ivo]] 17:57, 23 August 2008 (PDT)		:::Yes.--[[User:Saoshyant\|Ivo]] 17:57, 23 August 2008 (PDT)
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	Have also a few other questions:		Have also a few other questions:
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	:::::::as the get_packet thing will be piggybacking on that player's Ogg read routines.		:::::::as the get_packet thing will be piggybacking on that player's Ogg read routines.

		+	== Timed text (and images) in other profiles than .ogx/.anx please. ==

-	~~== Timed text (and images) in other profiles than .ogx/.anx please. ==~~
	(Important Note: This is not the same as the topic above this one!)		(Important Note: This is not the same as the topic above this one!)

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	This topic is about allowing those streams in certain profiles.		This topic is about allowing those streams in certain profiles.
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	(This topic is a bunch of ideas that is meant to help Xiph.org/the formats,		(This topic is a bunch of ideas that is meant to help Xiph.org/the formats,
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	I don't say everybody has to do everything I tell here!		I don't say everybody has to do everything I tell here!
	I'm not saying it's bad and shouldn't be done either! )		I'm not saying it's bad and shouldn't be done either! )
-

	The profile list looks very good but raises a few questions about audio and video profiles in Ogg and Annodex.		The profile list looks very good but raises a few questions about audio and video profiles in Ogg and Annodex.

-	audio:	+	=== audio ===
	In the oga and axa profile, it looks like timed images and/or text aren't allowed.		In the oga and axa profile, it looks like timed images and/or text aren't allowed.
	In axa there is a CMML for timed text. CMML is a special case. There are not Kate streams possible in both.		In axa there is a CMML for timed text. CMML is a special case. There are not Kate streams possible in both.
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	(Wiki/format documentation/...)		(Wiki/format documentation/...)

-	video:	+	=== video ===
	There doesn't seem to be a timed text stream allowed for ogv profile.		There doesn't seem to be a timed text stream allowed for ogv profile.
	>Ogg Video Profile (a/v in Ogg container)<		>Ogg Video Profile (a/v in Ogg container)<

Vmol: /* Timed text (and images) in other profiles than .ogx/.anx please. */

2009-08-22T15:47:45Z

Timed text (and images) in other profiles than .ogx/.anx please.

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	In the oga and axa profile, it looks like timed images and/or text aren't allowed.		In the oga and axa profile, it looks like timed images and/or text aren't allowed.
-	In axa there is a CMML for timed text.	+	In axa there is a CMML for timed text. CMML is a special case. There are not Kate streams possible in both.
-	~~But in oga there isn't~~ CMML ~~allowed~~.	+
	In axa and oga there seems no timed images with OggSpots allowed, even if it's possible because of the skeleton structure in Ogg and Annodex.		In axa and oga there seems no timed images with OggSpots allowed, even if it's possible because of the skeleton structure in Ogg and Annodex.
-	~~There isn't timed text allowed in oga and axa, CMML is a special case. There are not Kate streams possible in both.~~	+	Timed image(s)/text streams would be very welcome in these profiles.
-	~~The mentioned timed~~ image(s)/text streams would be very welcome in these profiles.	+
	Many people would want to have album art and lyrics in their audio files.		Many people would want to have album art and lyrics in their audio files.
	This is reasonably basic for audio files and shouldn't be restricted to the application (and other) profiles.		This is reasonably basic for audio files and shouldn't be restricted to the application (and other) profiles.

Vmol: /* Timed text (and images) in other profiles than .ogx/.anx please. */

2009-08-22T15:27:22Z

Timed text (and images) in other profiles than .ogx/.anx please.

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	>Ogg Video Profile (a/v in Ogg container)<		>Ogg Video Profile (a/v in Ogg container)<
	And axv only allows a CMML stream. Which is not the same as allowing a timed text stream.		And axv only allows a CMML stream. Which is not the same as allowing a timed text stream.
-	~~The mentioned timed~~ text ~~stream~~ would be very welcome in these profiles.	+	Timed text streams would be very welcome in these profiles.
-	Many people ~~would~~ want to have subtitles in their video files.	+	Many people want to have subtitles in their video files.
	It's pretty basic for video and shouldn't be restricted to the application profiles.		It's pretty basic for video and shouldn't be restricted to the application profiles.
	Please allow those two profiles to have a text stream. Also add this change to the documentation everywhere.		Please allow those two profiles to have a text stream. Also add this change to the documentation everywhere.

Vmol: Timed text (and images) in other profiles than .ogx/.anx please.

2009-08-22T15:26:25Z

Timed text (and images) in other profiles than .ogx/.anx please.

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-	== ~~Add~~ Timed text (and images) in other profiles than .ogx/.anx ==	+	== Timed text (and images) in other profiles than .ogx/.anx please. ==
	(Important Note: This is not the same as the topic above this one!)		(Important Note: This is not the same as the topic above this one!)

Vmol: /* Timed text (and images) not in other profiles than .ogx/.anx */

2009-08-22T15:24:29Z

Timed text (and images) not in other profiles than .ogx/.anx

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-	== Timed text (and images) ~~not~~ in other profiles than .ogx/.anx ==	+	== Add Timed text (and images) in other profiles than .ogx/.anx ==
	(Important Note: This is not the same as the topic above this one!)		(Important Note: This is not the same as the topic above this one!)

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-	(This topic is a bunch of ideas that is meant to help ~~the people at~~ Xiph,	+	(This topic is a bunch of ideas that is meant to help Xiph.org/the formats,
	constructive criticism.		constructive criticism.
	I don't say everybody has to do everything I tell here!		I don't say everybody has to do everything I tell here!
-	I'm not saying it's bad and shouldn't be done either. )	+	I'm not saying it's bad and shouldn't be done either! )


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	This has been brought up on the Kate page.		This has been brought up on the Kate page.

-	Link: [http://wiki.xiph.org/Talk:OggKate]	+	Link to OggKate page: [http://wiki.xiph.org/Talk:OggKate]
	(scroll to bottom of that page)		(scroll to bottom of that page)

Vmol: /* Timed text (and images) not in other profiles than .ogx/.anx */

2009-08-22T15:22:17Z

Timed text (and images) not in other profiles than .ogx/.anx

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	== Timed text (and images) not in other profiles than .ogx/.anx ==		== Timed text (and images) not in other profiles than .ogx/.anx ==
	(Important Note: This is not the same as the topic above this one!)		(Important Note: This is not the same as the topic above this one!)
		+
	The topic above this one asks if Ogg is capable of having such streams.		The topic above this one asks if Ogg is capable of having such streams.
		+
	This topic is about allowing those streams in certain profiles.		This topic is about allowing those streams in certain profiles.

Vmol: /* Timed text (and images) not in other profiles than .ogx/.anx */

2009-08-22T15:21:10Z

Timed text (and images) not in other profiles than .ogx/.anx

Vmol: /* Timed text (and images) not in other stuff than .ogx/.anx */

2009-08-22T15:16:27Z

Timed text (and images) not in other stuff than .ogx/.anx

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-	== Timed text (and images) not in other ~~stuff~~ than .ogx/.anx ==	+	== Timed text (and images) not in other profiles than .ogx/.anx ==
	(Important Note: This is not the same as the topic above this one!)		(Important Note: This is not the same as the topic above this one!)
	The topic above this one asks if Ogg is capable of having such streams.		The topic above this one asks if Ogg is capable of having such streams.
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	--[[User:Vmol\|vmol]] 22 august 2009 17 hours GMT + 1		--[[User:Vmol\|vmol]] 22 august 2009 17 hours GMT + 1
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	== Samples of .oga in the Wild ==		== Samples of .oga in the Wild ==

Vmol: Improved sentence, grammar.

2009-08-22T15:15:53Z

Improved sentence, grammar.

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	Please allow those two profiles to have a text stream. Also add this change to the documentation everywhere.		Please allow those two profiles to have a text stream. Also add this change to the documentation everywhere.

-	Being allowed to use xspf with some kate streams for a timed text stream would be handy ~~and nice too~~.	+	Two more special cases of stuff:
-	~~And also allow~~ embedding/usage of fonts (svgfonts, svg files) in all the profiles that can have text that's being displayed, thus where ~~font's~~ are used~~, this~~ has been brought up on the Kate page.	+	Being allowed to use xspf with some kate streams in a file for a timed text stream would be handy in some situations.
-	[http://wiki.xiph.org/Talk:OggKate]	+	Allow/Add embedding/usage of fonts (svgfonts, svg files) in all the profiles that can have text that's being displayed, thus where fonts are used.
		+	This has been brought up on the Kate page.
		+
		+	Link: [http://wiki.xiph.org/Talk:OggKate]
	(scroll to bottom of that page)		(scroll to bottom of that page)

Vmol: Enhance audio and video profiles in Ogg and Annodex.

2009-08-22T15:11:01Z

Enhance audio and video profiles in Ogg and Annodex.

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	text/cmml for CMML without container: the Codec mime types are to be used in Skeleton, can this mime type be applied to the CMML Ogg mapping? (It's not plain text in the way that Vorbis mapped into Ogg is exactly audio/vorbis.)		text/cmml for CMML without container: the Codec mime types are to be used in Skeleton, can this mime type be applied to the CMML Ogg mapping? (It's not plain text in the way that Vorbis mapped into Ogg is exactly audio/vorbis.)

-	== .oga - able to rip cd's with all of it's contents also metadata like picture of the album (also separate pictures for each song)? Yes? This is fantastic==	+	== .oga - able to rip cd's with all of it's contents also metadata like picture of the album (also separate pictures for each song)? Yes. This is fantastic==

	Can multiple audio streams/files be packed to one oga?		Can multiple audio streams/files be packed to one oga?
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	:::::::As you see, it's very little code once you have the Ogg stream ready for sync, but this has to be done by each player		:::::::As you see, it's very little code once you have the Ogg stream ready for sync, but this has to be done by each player
	:::::::as the get_packet thing will be piggybacking on that player's Ogg read routines.		:::::::as the get_packet thing will be piggybacking on that player's Ogg read routines.
		+
		+
		+	== Timed text (and images) not in other stuff than .ogx/.anx ==
		+	(Important Note: This is not the same as the topic above this one!)
		+	The topic above this one asks if Ogg is capable of having such streams.
		+	This topic is about allowing those streams in certain profiles.
		+
		+
		+	(This topic is a bunch of ideas that is meant to help the people at Xiph,
		+	constructive criticism.
		+	I don't say everybody has to do everything I tell here!
		+	I'm not saying it's bad and shouldn't be done either. )
		+
		+
		+	The profile list looks very good but raises a few questions about audio and video profiles in Ogg and Annodex.
		+
		+	audio:
		+	In the oga and axa profile, it looks like timed images and/or text aren't allowed.
		+	In axa there is a CMML for timed text .
		+	But in oga there isn't CMML allowed.
		+	In axa and oga there seems no timed images with OggSpots allowed, even if it's possible because of the skeleton structure in Ogg and Annodex.
		+	The mentioned timed image(s)/text streams would be very welcome in these profiles.
		+	Many people would want to have album art and lyrics in their audio files.
		+	Please allow those two profiles to have a timed images stream (OggSpots) and a timed text stream. Also add the change to the documentation everywhere.
		+	(Wiki/format documentation/...)
		+
		+	video:
		+	There doesn't seem to be a timed text stream allowed for ogv profile.
		+	>Ogg Video Profile (a/v in Ogg container)<
		+	And axv only allows a CMML stream. Which is not the same as allowing a timed text stream.
		+	The mentioned timed text stream would be very welcome in these profiles.
		+	Many people would want to have subtitles in their video files.
		+	Please allow those two profiles to have a text stream. Also add this change to the documentation everywhere.
		+
		+	Being allowed to use xspf with some kate streams for a timed text stream would be handy and nice too.
		+	And also allow embedding/usage of fonts (svgfonts, svg files) in all the profiles that can have text that's being displayed, thus where font's are used, this has been brought up on the Kate page.
		+	[http://wiki.xiph.org/Talk:OggKate]
		+	(scroll to bottom of that page)
		+
		+	--[[User:Vmol\|vmol]] 22 august 2009 17 hours GMT + 1
		+
		+
		+

	== Samples of .oga in the Wild ==		== Samples of .oga in the Wild ==

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	In the oga and axa profile, it looks like timed images and/or text aren't allowed.		In the oga and axa profile, it looks like timed images and/or text aren't allowed.
-	In axa there is a CMML for timed text .	+	In axa there is a CMML for timed text.
	But in oga there isn't CMML allowed.		But in oga there isn't CMML allowed.
	In axa and oga there seems no timed images with OggSpots allowed, even if it's possible because of the skeleton structure in Ogg and Annodex.		In axa and oga there seems no timed images with OggSpots allowed, even if it's possible because of the skeleton structure in Ogg and Annodex.
		+	There isn't timed text allowed in oga and axa, CMML is a special case. There are not Kate streams possible in both.
	The mentioned timed image(s)/text streams would be very welcome in these profiles.		The mentioned timed image(s)/text streams would be very welcome in these profiles.
	Many people would want to have album art and lyrics in their audio files.		Many people would want to have album art and lyrics in their audio files.
		+	This is reasonably basic for audio files and shouldn't be restricted to the application (and other) profiles.
	Please allow those two profiles to have a timed images stream (OggSpots) and a timed text stream. Also add the change to the documentation everywhere.		Please allow those two profiles to have a timed images stream (OggSpots) and a timed text stream. Also add the change to the documentation everywhere.
	(Wiki/format documentation/...)		(Wiki/format documentation/...)
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	The mentioned timed text stream would be very welcome in these profiles.		The mentioned timed text stream would be very welcome in these profiles.
	Many people would want to have subtitles in their video files.		Many people would want to have subtitles in their video files.
		+	It's pretty basic for video and shouldn't be restricted to the application profiles.
	Please allow those two profiles to have a text stream. Also add this change to the documentation everywhere.		Please allow those two profiles to have a text stream. Also add this change to the documentation everywhere.