Talk:List of Theora videos - Revision history

Matthewcraig: /* BBC Backstage Blog */

2009-04-13T01:37:59Z

BBC Backstage Blog

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	::: Finding more up-to-date links is a tough slog. I spent many, many hours doing this for the [[Vorbis Streams]] page. It is sometimes even necessary to contact the site owners to investigate or to encourage. The resulting information can meanwhile be entered onto the Discussion Tab, so other volunteers can assist and follow-up. When you simply delete the link, then any information about the status is lost. If you feel strongly about this link providing good advertising, then I recommend entering cautionary information by the link explaining the situation. Ultimately, we want the BBC to update their videos or we want to find a better example of the BBC supporting Theora. Short of that solution, we want this wiki page to reflect the BBC is behind Theora (their weblog page is still interesting), but does not have a working video example. Deleting a link ends the paper trail and should only be used as a last resort, when a site owner has been confirmed to withdraw their support for Theora-encoded videos. --[[User:Matthewcraig\|Matthewcraig]] 07:05, 11 March 2009 (PDT)		::: Finding more up-to-date links is a tough slog. I spent many, many hours doing this for the [[Vorbis Streams]] page. It is sometimes even necessary to contact the site owners to investigate or to encourage. The resulting information can meanwhile be entered onto the Discussion Tab, so other volunteers can assist and follow-up. When you simply delete the link, then any information about the status is lost. If you feel strongly about this link providing good advertising, then I recommend entering cautionary information by the link explaining the situation. Ultimately, we want the BBC to update their videos or we want to find a better example of the BBC supporting Theora. Short of that solution, we want this wiki page to reflect the BBC is behind Theora (their weblog page is still interesting), but does not have a working video example. Deleting a link ends the paper trail and should only be used as a last resort, when a site owner has been confirmed to withdraw their support for Theora-encoded videos. --[[User:Matthewcraig\|Matthewcraig]] 07:05, 11 March 2009 (PDT)

-	::: BBC has ~~some new theora~~ videos on ~~a new~~ web page ~~if you are still interested in removing the this "offstage" link~~. --[[User:Matthewcraig\|Matthewcraig]] 18:28, 12 April 2009 (PDT)	+	::: Removing [http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/archives/2008/11/george_wright_r.html Backstage] link now that the BBC has shown Theora encoded videos on another web page. --[[User:Matthewcraig\|Matthewcraig]] 18:37, 12 April 2009 (PDT)

	=== Ubuntu Screencasts ===		=== Ubuntu Screencasts ===

Matthewcraig: /* Discuss Bad or Broken Links */

2009-04-13T01:28:47Z

Discuss Bad or Broken Links

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	::: Finding more up-to-date links is a tough slog. I spent many, many hours doing this for the [[Vorbis Streams]] page. It is sometimes even necessary to contact the site owners to investigate or to encourage. The resulting information can meanwhile be entered onto the Discussion Tab, so other volunteers can assist and follow-up. When you simply delete the link, then any information about the status is lost. If you feel strongly about this link providing good advertising, then I recommend entering cautionary information by the link explaining the situation. Ultimately, we want the BBC to update their videos or we want to find a better example of the BBC supporting Theora. Short of that solution, we want this wiki page to reflect the BBC is behind Theora (their weblog page is still interesting), but does not have a working video example. Deleting a link ends the paper trail and should only be used as a last resort, when a site owner has been confirmed to withdraw their support for Theora-encoded videos. --[[User:Matthewcraig\|Matthewcraig]] 07:05, 11 March 2009 (PDT)		::: Finding more up-to-date links is a tough slog. I spent many, many hours doing this for the [[Vorbis Streams]] page. It is sometimes even necessary to contact the site owners to investigate or to encourage. The resulting information can meanwhile be entered onto the Discussion Tab, so other volunteers can assist and follow-up. When you simply delete the link, then any information about the status is lost. If you feel strongly about this link providing good advertising, then I recommend entering cautionary information by the link explaining the situation. Ultimately, we want the BBC to update their videos or we want to find a better example of the BBC supporting Theora. Short of that solution, we want this wiki page to reflect the BBC is behind Theora (their weblog page is still interesting), but does not have a working video example. Deleting a link ends the paper trail and should only be used as a last resort, when a site owner has been confirmed to withdraw their support for Theora-encoded videos. --[[User:Matthewcraig\|Matthewcraig]] 07:05, 11 March 2009 (PDT)
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		+	::: BBC has some new theora videos on a new web page if you are still interested in removing the this "offstage" link. --[[User:Matthewcraig\|Matthewcraig]] 18:28, 12 April 2009 (PDT)
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		+	=== Ubuntu Screencasts ===
		+	Looks like there are no videos listed there any more. Check again in a couple weeks. --[[User:Matthewcraig\|Matthewcraig]] 18:28, 12 April 2009 (PDT)
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		+	=== Linux.com ===
		+	Removed link since the original videos were removed after Linux Foundation took over the website. --[[User:Matthewcraig\|Matthewcraig]] 18:28, 12 April 2009 (PDT)

	== Dirac movies ==		== Dirac movies ==

Matthewcraig: /* BBC Backstage Blog */

2009-03-11T14:05:21Z

BBC Backstage Blog

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	:: Quality should have preference from amount maximization. Many Theora movies around are obsolete (after spec frozen but with bad quality or hidden "bugs" showing in "some" players. So now after-1.0 movies should IMHO be added preferably. [[User:DOS386\|DOS386]] 2009-March-10, 23:40 (PDT)		:: Quality should have preference from amount maximization. Many Theora movies around are obsolete (after spec frozen but with bad quality or hidden "bugs" showing in "some" players. So now after-1.0 movies should IMHO be added preferably. [[User:DOS386\|DOS386]] 2009-March-10, 23:40 (PDT)
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		+	::: Finding more up-to-date links is a tough slog. I spent many, many hours doing this for the [[Vorbis Streams]] page. It is sometimes even necessary to contact the site owners to investigate or to encourage. The resulting information can meanwhile be entered onto the Discussion Tab, so other volunteers can assist and follow-up. When you simply delete the link, then any information about the status is lost. If you feel strongly about this link providing good advertising, then I recommend entering cautionary information by the link explaining the situation. Ultimately, we want the BBC to update their videos or we want to find a better example of the BBC supporting Theora. Short of that solution, we want this wiki page to reflect the BBC is behind Theora (their weblog page is still interesting), but does not have a working video example. Deleting a link ends the paper trail and should only be used as a last resort, when a site owner has been confirmed to withdraw their support for Theora-encoded videos. --[[User:Matthewcraig\|Matthewcraig]] 07:05, 11 March 2009 (PDT)
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	== Dirac movies ==		== Dirac movies ==

DOS386: answer @Matt | new question | forgot sigi

2009-03-11T06:36:33Z

answer @Matt | new question | forgot sigi

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	:: Nice and right, but then someone should find newer (2009) up-to-date and working movies.		:: Nice and right, but then someone should find newer (2009) up-to-date and working movies.

-	:: Quality should have preference from amount maximization. Many Theora movies around are obsolete (after spec frozen but with bad quality or hidden "bugs" showing in "some" players. So now after-1.0 movies should IMHO be added preferably. [[User:DOS386\|DOS386]] 23:~~31, 10 March 2009~~ (PDT)	+	:: Quality should have preference from amount maximization. Many Theora movies around are obsolete (after spec frozen but with bad quality or hidden "bugs" showing in "some" players. So now after-1.0 movies should IMHO be added preferably. [[User:DOS386\|DOS386]] 2009-March-10, 23:40 (PDT)

	== Dirac movies ==		== Dirac movies ==

-	I currently know 2 somewhat working OGG Dirac movies (the garbage discussed above doesn't count). Should they be included here ? Or open a separate list ?	+	I currently know 2 somewhat working OGG Dirac movies (the garbage discussed above doesn't count). Should they be included here ? Or open a separate list ? [[User:DOS386\|DOS386]] 2009-March-10, 23:40 (PDT)

	== Discussion around the link to the Wikipedia Comparison of Video Services page ==		== Discussion around the link to the Wikipedia Comparison of Video Services page ==

DOS386: answer @Matt

2009-03-11T06:31:20Z

answer @Matt

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	=== BBC Backstage Blog ===		=== BBC Backstage Blog ===
	DOS386 pointed out the Theora-encoded video here has no audio track. Regardless, I think this link should stay on the list. It shows the BBC getting behind free software multimedia frameworks, which is important because the BBC is a well known video content producer. Technically, the list shows Theora-encoded videos - and indeed the BBC video fulfills this requirement, even though the audio is missing. --[[User:Matthewcraig\|Matthewcraig]] 08:35, 10 March 2009 (PDT)		DOS386 pointed out the Theora-encoded video here has no audio track. Regardless, I think this link should stay on the list. It shows the BBC getting behind free software multimedia frameworks, which is important because the BBC is a well known video content producer. Technically, the list shows Theora-encoded videos - and indeed the BBC video fulfills this requirement, even though the audio is missing. --[[User:Matthewcraig\|Matthewcraig]] 08:35, 10 March 2009 (PDT)
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		+	:: > Please do not delete working links without first trying to engage in the Discussion tab.
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		+	:: The link maybe "works", but both "movies" provided are faulty. Theora movie has no sound, and Dirac "movie" seems to be an early immature encoding before spec was frozen, and now obsolete. I'm not rekicking the entry just now but IMHO it should get deleted. Broken movies are not that a good advertising.
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		+	:: > It shows the BBC getting behind free software multimedia frameworks, which is important because the BBC is a well known video content producer.
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		+	:: Nice and right, but then someone should find newer (2009) up-to-date and working movies.
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		+	:: Quality should have preference from amount maximization. Many Theora movies around are obsolete (after spec frozen but with bad quality or hidden "bugs" showing in "some" players. So now after-1.0 movies should IMHO be added preferably. [[User:DOS386\|DOS386]] 23:31, 10 March 2009 (PDT)
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		+	== Dirac movies ==
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		+	I currently know 2 somewhat working OGG Dirac movies (the garbage discussed above doesn't count). Should they be included here ? Or open a separate list ?

	== Discussion around the link to the Wikipedia Comparison of Video Services page ==		== Discussion around the link to the Wikipedia Comparison of Video Services page ==

Matthewcraig at 15:35, 10 March 2009

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-	~~Would like to add the following link to "See also", but only "category:Theora" is seen under the Edit. How to edit that template?~~	+	== Discuss Bad or Broken Links ==
-	~~http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_video_services~~	+
-	~~:Go to [[Template:~~Theora~~]] and add [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_video_services Comparison of~~ video ~~services]~~. ~~Does~~ this ~~help? I'm not sure if it's an ideal~~ link ~~for~~ the ~~section but, being a wiki, new ideas are a must~~.~~--[[User:Saoshyant\|Ivo]] 06:57, 2 August 2008 (PDT)~~	+	=== BBC Backstage Blog ===
-	~~::You are saying~~ the ~~link~~, ~~to a comparison of video codecs, would not make a good addition to~~ the ~~informational wiki? I will hold off adding it, unless someone else thinks it~~ is a ~~good idea.~~	+	DOS386 pointed out the Theora-encoded video here has no audio track. Regardless, I think this link should stay on the list. It shows the BBC getting behind free software multimedia frameworks, which is important because the BBC is a well known video content producer. Technically, the list shows Theora-encoded videos - and indeed the BBC video fulfills this requirement, even though the audio is missing. --[[User:Matthewcraig\|Matthewcraig]] 08:35, 10 March 2009 (PDT)
-	~~:::Yeah,~~ well. ~~There's something you don't understand about~~ the ~~XiphWiki: it doesn't have enough users to be worth asking questions or opinions here. I'm pretty much the only person who checks what's going here frequently.~~	+
-	~~:::The problem with adding that link to "See also", is that it would show up on EVERY single~~ Theora-~~related page, which is not ideal since it's an external link~~ and ~~it's only useful for those who want to host videos. Which would be~~ the ~~people looking on~~ this ~~article~~, ~~but not on~~ the ~~other articles~~. ~~I suggest just putting the link somewhere in this article.~~--[[User:~~Saoshyant~~\|~~Ivo~~]] 10:06, ~~3 September 2008~~ (PDT)	+	== Discussion around the link to the Wikipedia Comparison of Video Services page ==
-	~~::::Thank you for your thoughts. I have put a description under~~ the Video ~~Sharing header, but the verbiage might be a bit strained~~. ~~Feel free to modify, or even delete, as you feel necessary.~~ --[[User:Matthewcraig\|~~Matthew Craig~~]] 08:24, ~~14 September 2008~~ (~~EDT~~)	+	Deleting that whole long discussion because it seems resolved at this point. --[[User:Matthewcraig\|Matthewcraig]] 08:35, 10 March 2009 (PDT)

	== List Categorization ==		== List Categorization ==
	The list is categorized in a non-alphabetical order for two reasons. First, the purpose of the list is illustrating the use of Theora, so the more interesting and note-worthy usages of the technology are given a higher location in the list, while at the same time keeping the order of the categories sensible. This means the serial videos are kept with the sharing services, the short films are kept with the other short films, and the Linux videos are kept with other technical videos. Secondly, there is a misconception in Internet discussions that Theora is only used by Linux users, so there has been an attempt made on this wiki page to de-emphasize the Linux videos by moving them further down the page. Certainly, we want to list any Linux videos, especially the interesting use of Theora to produce Linux related episodic content. In conclusion, if you are interesting in editing the list categorization order, then please post your ideas here, so they can be discussed first. The order may seem arbitrary, but there is a method, and there may be better orders - so you are encourage to post and promote your ideas here on the discussion page. --[[User:Matthewcraig\|Matthew Craig]] 14:18, 7 November 2008 (EST)		The list is categorized in a non-alphabetical order for two reasons. First, the purpose of the list is illustrating the use of Theora, so the more interesting and note-worthy usages of the technology are given a higher location in the list, while at the same time keeping the order of the categories sensible. This means the serial videos are kept with the sharing services, the short films are kept with the other short films, and the Linux videos are kept with other technical videos. Secondly, there is a misconception in Internet discussions that Theora is only used by Linux users, so there has been an attempt made on this wiki page to de-emphasize the Linux videos by moving them further down the page. Certainly, we want to list any Linux videos, especially the interesting use of Theora to produce Linux related episodic content. In conclusion, if you are interesting in editing the list categorization order, then please post your ideas here, so they can be discussed first. The order may seem arbitrary, but there is a method, and there may be better orders - so you are encourage to post and promote your ideas here on the discussion page. --[[User:Matthewcraig\|Matthew Craig]] 14:18, 7 November 2008 (EST)
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-	~~> Would like to add the following link~~
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-	~~> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_video_services~~
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-	~~> You are saying the link, to a comparison of video codecs~~
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-	~~> would not make a good addition to the informational wiki?~~
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-	~~The Wikipedia article sucks, edited the link. Anyone wants to rewrite it, focusing on '''hosting''' of free media as-is, without auto damaging it into flash ?~~
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-	~~> First, the purpose of the list is illustrating the use of Theora,~~
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-	~~> so the more interesting and note-worthy usages of the technology~~
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-	~~> are given a higher location~~
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-	~~Agree.~~
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-	~~> there is a misconception in Internet discussions that Theora is~~
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-	~~> only used by Linux users, so there has been an attempt made on~~
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-	~~> this wiki page to de-emphasize the Linux videos~~
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-	~~Agree.~~
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-	~~[[User:DOS386\|DOS386]] 18:37, 8 November 2008 (PST)~~
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-	~~: Response -- >The Wikipedia article sucks, edited the link. Anyone wants to rewrite it, focusing on hosting of free media as-is, without auto damaging it into flash ?~~
-	: Okay, thanks for your insights here. I am not married to the idea of having that wiki link, but I do think it is useful to know what video sharing services will allow ''Theora'' encoded uploads. To be sure, the wiki link shows much more information than necessary to get this across, plus it is not a well-maintained wiki page. I suppose this is an open issue until there is a more concise repository of this video sharing information available. --[[User:Matthewcraig\|Matthew Craig]] 07:32, 9 November 2008 (EST)

Matthewcraig: /* 3 @Matt */ response with sig

2008-11-09T12:32:34Z

3 @Matt: response with sig

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	: Response -- >The Wikipedia article sucks, edited the link. Anyone wants to rewrite it, focusing on hosting of free media as-is, without auto damaging it into flash ?		: Response -- >The Wikipedia article sucks, edited the link. Anyone wants to rewrite it, focusing on hosting of free media as-is, without auto damaging it into flash ?
-	: Okay, thanks for your insights here. I am not married to the idea of having that wiki link, but I do think it is useful to know what video sharing services will allow ''Theora'' encoded uploads. To be sure, the wiki link shows much more information than necessary to get this across, plus it is not a well-maintained wiki page. I suppose this is an open issue until there is a more concise repository of this video sharing information available.	+	: Okay, thanks for your insights here. I am not married to the idea of having that wiki link, but I do think it is useful to know what video sharing services will allow ''Theora'' encoded uploads. To be sure, the wiki link shows much more information than necessary to get this across, plus it is not a well-maintained wiki page. I suppose this is an open issue until there is a more concise repository of this video sharing information available. --[[User:Matthewcraig\|Matthew Craig]] 07:32, 9 November 2008 (EST)

Matthewcraig: /* 3 @Matt */ response

2008-11-09T12:31:27Z

3 @Matt: response

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	[[User:DOS386\|DOS386]] 18:37, 8 November 2008 (PST)		[[User:DOS386\|DOS386]] 18:37, 8 November 2008 (PST)
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		+	: Response -- >The Wikipedia article sucks, edited the link. Anyone wants to rewrite it, focusing on hosting of free media as-is, without auto damaging it into flash ?
		+	: Okay, thanks for your insights here. I am not married to the idea of having that wiki link, but I do think it is useful to know what video sharing services will allow ''Theora'' encoded uploads. To be sure, the wiki link shows much more information than necessary to get this across, plus it is not a well-maintained wiki page. I suppose this is an open issue until there is a more concise repository of this video sharing information available.

DOS386: 3 @Matt

2008-11-09T02:37:47Z

3 @Matt

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	== List Categorization ==		== List Categorization ==
	The list is categorized in a non-alphabetical order for two reasons. First, the purpose of the list is illustrating the use of Theora, so the more interesting and note-worthy usages of the technology are given a higher location in the list, while at the same time keeping the order of the categories sensible. This means the serial videos are kept with the sharing services, the short films are kept with the other short films, and the Linux videos are kept with other technical videos. Secondly, there is a misconception in Internet discussions that Theora is only used by Linux users, so there has been an attempt made on this wiki page to de-emphasize the Linux videos by moving them further down the page. Certainly, we want to list any Linux videos, especially the interesting use of Theora to produce Linux related episodic content. In conclusion, if you are interesting in editing the list categorization order, then please post your ideas here, so they can be discussed first. The order may seem arbitrary, but there is a method, and there may be better orders - so you are encourage to post and promote your ideas here on the discussion page. --[[User:Matthewcraig\|Matthew Craig]] 14:18, 7 November 2008 (EST)		The list is categorized in a non-alphabetical order for two reasons. First, the purpose of the list is illustrating the use of Theora, so the more interesting and note-worthy usages of the technology are given a higher location in the list, while at the same time keeping the order of the categories sensible. This means the serial videos are kept with the sharing services, the short films are kept with the other short films, and the Linux videos are kept with other technical videos. Secondly, there is a misconception in Internet discussions that Theora is only used by Linux users, so there has been an attempt made on this wiki page to de-emphasize the Linux videos by moving them further down the page. Certainly, we want to list any Linux videos, especially the interesting use of Theora to produce Linux related episodic content. In conclusion, if you are interesting in editing the list categorization order, then please post your ideas here, so they can be discussed first. The order may seem arbitrary, but there is a method, and there may be better orders - so you are encourage to post and promote your ideas here on the discussion page. --[[User:Matthewcraig\|Matthew Craig]] 14:18, 7 November 2008 (EST)
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		+	== 3 @Matt ==
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		+	> Would like to add the following link
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		+	> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_video_services
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		+	> You are saying the link, to a comparison of video codecs
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		+	> would not make a good addition to the informational wiki?
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		+	The Wikipedia article sucks, edited the link. Anyone wants to rewrite it, focusing on '''hosting''' of free media as-is, without auto damaging it into flash ?
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		+	> First, the purpose of the list is illustrating the use of Theora,
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		+	> so the more interesting and note-worthy usages of the technology
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		+	> are given a higher location
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		+	Agree.
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		+	> there is a misconception in Internet discussions that Theora is
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		+	> only used by Linux users, so there has been an attempt made on
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		+	> this wiki page to de-emphasize the Linux videos
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		+	Agree.
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		+	[[User:DOS386\|DOS386]] 18:37, 8 November 2008 (PST)

Matthewcraig at 22:11, 7 November 2008

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	Would like to add the following link to "See also", but only "category:Theora" is seen under the Edit. How to edit that template?		Would like to add the following link to "See also", but only "category:Theora" is seen under the Edit. How to edit that template?
	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_video_services		http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_video_services
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	:Go to [[Template:Theora]] and add [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_video_services Comparison of video services]. Does this help? I'm not sure if it's an ideal link for the section but, being a wiki, new ideas are a must.--[[User:Saoshyant\|Ivo]] 06:57, 2 August 2008 (PDT)		:Go to [[Template:Theora]] and add [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_video_services Comparison of video services]. Does this help? I'm not sure if it's an ideal link for the section but, being a wiki, new ideas are a must.--[[User:Saoshyant\|Ivo]] 06:57, 2 August 2008 (PDT)
	::You are saying the link, to a comparison of video codecs, would not make a good addition to the informational wiki? I will hold off adding it, unless someone else thinks it is a good idea.		::You are saying the link, to a comparison of video codecs, would not make a good addition to the informational wiki? I will hold off adding it, unless someone else thinks it is a good idea.
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	:::The problem with adding that link to "See also", is that it would show up on EVERY single Theora-related page, which is not ideal since it's an external link and it's only useful for those who want to host videos. Which would be the people looking on this article, but not on the other articles. I suggest just putting the link somewhere in this article.--[[User:Saoshyant\|Ivo]] 10:06, 3 September 2008 (PDT)		:::The problem with adding that link to "See also", is that it would show up on EVERY single Theora-related page, which is not ideal since it's an external link and it's only useful for those who want to host videos. Which would be the people looking on this article, but not on the other articles. I suggest just putting the link somewhere in this article.--[[User:Saoshyant\|Ivo]] 10:06, 3 September 2008 (PDT)
	::::Thank you for your thoughts. I have put a description under the Video Sharing header, but the verbiage might be a bit strained. Feel free to modify, or even delete, as you feel necessary. --[[User:Matthewcraig\|Matthew Craig]] 08:24, 14 September 2008 (EDT)		::::Thank you for your thoughts. I have put a description under the Video Sharing header, but the verbiage might be a bit strained. Feel free to modify, or even delete, as you feel necessary. --[[User:Matthewcraig\|Matthew Craig]] 08:24, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
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-	Question: would it be a good idea to alphabatize this list, or put some sub-sections into it? Also, is it time to add a "streaming video" sub-section, since there are now two streams? --[[User:Matthewcraig\|Matthew Craig]] 13:32, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
-	~~:Well - I put in some sections and alphabetized the list. Hope everyone is happy with the new look. --[[User:Matthewcraig\|Matthew Craig]] 12:02, 3 September 2008 (EDT)~~

	== List Categorization ==		== List Categorization ==
-		+	The list is categorized in a non-alphabetical order for two reasons. First, the purpose of the list is illustrating the use of Theora, so the more interesting and note-worthy usages of the technology are given a higher location in the list, while at the same time keeping the order of the categories sensible. This means the serial videos are kept with the sharing services, the short films are kept with the other short films, and the Linux videos are kept with other technical videos. Secondly, there is a misconception in Internet discussions that Theora is only used by Linux users, so there has been an attempt made on this wiki page to de-emphasize the Linux videos by moving them further down the page. Certainly, we want to list any Linux videos, especially the interesting use of Theora to produce Linux related episodic content. In conclusion, if you are interesting in editing the list categorization order, then please post your ideas here, so they can be discussed first. The order may seem arbitrary, but there is a method, and there may be better orders - so you are encourage to post and promote your ideas here on the discussion page. --[[User:Matthewcraig\|Matthew Craig]] 14:18, 7 November 2008 (EST)
-	The list is categorized in a non-alphabetical order for two reasons. First, the purpose of the list is illustrating the use of Theora, so the more interesting and note-worthy usages of the technology are given a higher location in the list, while at the same time keeping the order of the categories sensible. This means the serial videos are kept with the sharing services, the short films are kept with the other short films, and the Linux videos are kept with other technical videos. Secondly, there is a misconception in Internet discussions that Theora is only used by Linux users, so there has been an attempt made on this wiki page to de-emphasize the Linux videos by moving them further down the page. Certainly, we want to list any Linux videos, especially the interesting use of Theora to produce Linux related episodic content. In conclusion, if you are interesting in editing the list categorization order, then please post your ideas here ~~first~~, so they can be discussed first. The order may seem arbitrary, but there is a method, and there may be better orders - so you are encourage to post and promote your ideas here on the discussion page. --[[User:Matthewcraig\|Matthew Craig]] 14:18, 7 November 2008 (EST)	+