MatroskaOpus

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Seeking in Opus files requires a pre-roll (recommended to be at least 80 ms). However, currently Matroska requires its index entries to point directly to the data whose timestamp matches the corresponding seek point, not some place arbitrarily before that timestamp. These two requirements are incompatible, and mean that seeking in Opus will be broken in all existing Matroska software. In particularly unlucky cases (e.g., around a transient), playing back audio decoded without any pre-roll can produce extremely loud (possibly equipment-damaging) results. We need a new element to signal this, e.g. Track::TrackEntry::PreRoll.
Should we say muxers MAY or SHOULD NOT produce simple streams without filling in CodecPrivate?
Should we say muxers MAY or SHOULD NOT produce simple streams without filling in CodecPrivate?
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The SimpleBlock structure also has an 'invisible' bit, which tell the player to decode, but not display, the contained frames. This lets the muxer signal the pre-skip semantics with frame accuracy, but not sample accuracy. If players implement this it will at least help with sync. Libav does not appear to support the invisible bit.
The SimpleBlock structure also has an 'invisible' bit, which tell the player to decode, but not display, the contained frames. This lets the muxer signal the pre-skip semantics with frame accuracy, but not sample accuracy. If players implement this it will at least help with sync. Libav does not appear to support the invisible bit.
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Seeking in Opus files requires a pre-roll (recommended to be at least 80 ms). However, currently Matroska requires its index entries to point directly to the data whose timestamp matches the corresponding seek point, not some place arbitrarily before that timestamp. These two requirements are incompatible, and mean that seeking in Opus will be broken in all existing Matroska software. In particularly unlucky cases (e.g., around a transient), playing back audio decoded without any pre-roll can produce extremely loud (possibly equipment-damaging) results.
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Seeking in Opus files requires a pre-roll (recommended to be at least 80 ms). However, currently Matroska requires its index entries to point directly to the data whose timestamp matches the corresponding seek point, not some place arbitrarily before that timestamp. These two requirements are incompatible, and mean that seeking in Opus will be broken in all existing Matroska software. In particularly unlucky cases (e.g., around a transient), playing back audio decoded without any pre-roll can produce extremely loud (possibly equipment-damaging) results. We need a new element to signal this, e.g. Track::TrackEntry::PreRoll.
How can sample-accurate end-time trimming work in Matroska? Currently all software encapsulating Vorbis in Matroska is broken in this regard, and muxing a Vorbis file in Matroska causes it to get longer (i.e., produce more audio output than the original Ogg file). It would be unfortunate to repeat this disaster for Opus.
How can sample-accurate end-time trimming work in Matroska? Currently all software encapsulating Vorbis in Matroska is broken in this regard, and muxing a Vorbis file in Matroska causes it to get longer (i.e., produce more audio output than the original Ogg file). It would be unfortunate to repeat this disaster for Opus.

Revision as of 17:10, 14 September 2012

DRAFT

This is an encapsulation spec for the Opus codec in [Matroska]. There are a number of outstanding functional issues with muxing Opus in Matroska, and until those are resolved, use of this spec is NOT RECOMMENDED.

- CodecID is A_OPUS
- SampleFrequecy is 48000
- Channels is number of output PCM channels
- CodecPrivate is the 'OpusHead' packet, identical to the OggOpus mapping

The second 'OpusTags' header packet from OggOpus is not used in the Matroska encapsulation. Matroska has its own system for tag metadata, and this avoids duplicating it and the need for sub-framing to index multiple packets within the CodecPrivate element.

If the CodecPrivate is empty and 'Channels' is 1 or 2, players MAY treat it as a sane set of defaults, I guess. e.g. channel mapping family 0, no pre-skip or gain. For 'Channels > 2' the track MUST be rejected, since there's no way to map the encoded substreams to channels.

Questions

Seeking in Opus files requires a pre-roll (recommended to be at least 80 ms). However, currently Matroska requires its index entries to point directly to the data whose timestamp matches the corresponding seek point, not some place arbitrarily before that timestamp. These two requirements are incompatible, and mean that seeking in Opus will be broken in all existing Matroska software. In particularly unlucky cases (e.g., around a transient), playing back audio decoded without any pre-roll can produce extremely loud (possibly equipment-damaging) results. We need a new element to signal this, e.g. Track::TrackEntry::PreRoll.

Should we say muxers MAY or SHOULD NOT produce simple streams without filling in CodecPrivate?

How does the OpusHead pre-skip field interact with the timestamps? The SimpleBlock timestamp is signed 16 bits, so the format can signal about half of the pre-skip if playback timestamps are to start at zero.

One could set an incorrect timestamp on the skipped blocks, and rely on the decoder to drop them based on the OpusHead preskip value. As long as the initial blocks are timestamped <= start of output this shouldn't affect seeking.

How important is it that timestamps start at zero in a Matroska file?

The SimpleBlock structure also has an 'invisible' bit, which tell the player to decode, but not display, the contained frames. This lets the muxer signal the pre-skip semantics with frame accuracy, but not sample accuracy. If players implement this it will at least help with sync. Libav does not appear to support the invisible bit.

Seeking in Opus files requires a pre-roll (recommended to be at least 80 ms). However, currently Matroska requires its index entries to point directly to the data whose timestamp matches the corresponding seek point, not some place arbitrarily before that timestamp. These two requirements are incompatible, and mean that seeking in Opus will be broken in all existing Matroska software. In particularly unlucky cases (e.g., around a transient), playing back audio decoded without any pre-roll can produce extremely loud (possibly equipment-damaging) results. We need a new element to signal this, e.g. Track::TrackEntry::PreRoll.

How can sample-accurate end-time trimming work in Matroska? Currently all software encapsulating Vorbis in Matroska is broken in this regard, and muxing a Vorbis file in Matroska causes it to get longer (i.e., produce more audio output than the original Ogg file). It would be unfortunate to repeat this disaster for Opus.

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