Letter to Nokia - Revision history

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2008-06-12T18:13:41Z

Considerations

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	* Preferably it should not be addressed to Nokia's customer service, but a person inside Nokia who has authority to make decisions on matters like this.		* Preferably it should not be addressed to Nokia's customer service, but a person inside Nokia who has authority to make decisions on matters like this.
	* We should CC this letter to important news websites, like LWN and Slashdot for example, to obtain more public awareness.		* We should CC this letter to important news websites, like LWN and Slashdot for example, to obtain more public awareness.
-	* We should also start a petition at [http://www.petitiononline.com/ PetitionOnline] to show [http://www.petitiononline.com/~~oggnokia~~/~~petition~~.~~html~~ how many people desire support for Ogg Vorbis in Nokia products], and that it's not merely some hardcore Ogg Vorbis fans who want to see support from Nokia. We should give a reference the petition in the letter.	+	* We should also start [http://www.petitiononline.com/oggnokia/petition.html a petition] at [http://www.petitiononline.com/ PetitionOnline] to show [http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?oggnokia how many people desire support for Ogg Vorbis in Nokia products], and that it's not merely some hardcore Ogg Vorbis fans who want to see support from Nokia. We should give a reference the petition in the letter.
	* Maybe we should provide more info on legal matters, regarding possible concerns of vendors like Nokia over patent encumbrances.		* Maybe we should provide more info on legal matters, regarding possible concerns of vendors like Nokia over patent encumbrances.
	* The Free Software Foundation started the [http://www.fsf.org/news/playogg.html Play Ogg campaign], possibly we could make a reference to this in the letter, if it's relevant.		* The Free Software Foundation started the [http://www.fsf.org/news/playogg.html Play Ogg campaign], possibly we could make a reference to this in the letter, if it's relevant.

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Considerations

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	* Preferably it should not be addressed to Nokia's customer service, but a person inside Nokia who has authority to make decisions on matters like this.		* Preferably it should not be addressed to Nokia's customer service, but a person inside Nokia who has authority to make decisions on matters like this.
	* We should CC this letter to important news websites, like LWN and Slashdot for example, to obtain more public awareness.		* We should CC this letter to important news websites, like LWN and Slashdot for example, to obtain more public awareness.
-	* We should also start a petition at [http://www.petitiononline.com/ PetitionOnline] to show how many people desire support for Ogg Vorbis in Nokia products, and that it's not merely some hardcore Ogg Vorbis fans who want to see support from Nokia. We should give a reference the petition in the letter.	+	* We should also start a petition at [http://www.petitiononline.com/ PetitionOnline] to show [http://www.petitiononline.com/oggnokia/petition.html how many people desire support for Ogg Vorbis in Nokia products], and that it's not merely some hardcore Ogg Vorbis fans who want to see support from Nokia. We should give a reference the petition in the letter.
	* Maybe we should provide more info on legal matters, regarding possible concerns of vendors like Nokia over patent encumbrances.		* Maybe we should provide more info on legal matters, regarding possible concerns of vendors like Nokia over patent encumbrances.
	* The Free Software Foundation started the [http://www.fsf.org/news/playogg.html Play Ogg campaign], possibly we could make a reference to this in the letter, if it's relevant.		* The Free Software Foundation started the [http://www.fsf.org/news/playogg.html Play Ogg campaign], possibly we could make a reference to this in the letter, if it's relevant.

Saoshyant: marked historical

2007-12-17T20:38:42Z

marked historical

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	After some [http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/advocacy/2007-May/thread.html discussion] on the Advocacy mailing list, I decided to start drafting a letter to Nokia here to convince Nokia to implement support for Ogg Vorbis (possibly more Xiph.org technologies, but Vorbis is the most important to me) in their mobile phones. The draft here is inspired by the [[MailOgging]] page. This is a letter to Nokia, but letters to other manufacturers of mobile phones or media players should follow.		After some [http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/advocacy/2007-May/thread.html discussion] on the Advocacy mailing list, I decided to start drafting a letter to Nokia here to convince Nokia to implement support for Ogg Vorbis (possibly more Xiph.org technologies, but Vorbis is the most important to me) in their mobile phones. The draft here is inspired by the [[MailOgging]] page. This is a letter to Nokia, but letters to other manufacturers of mobile phones or media players should follow.

Alexander van Loon at 12:48, 17 June 2007

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	Dear Sir/Madam,		Dear Sir/Madam,

-	~~The Xiph.Org Foundation~~ would like to ~~ask~~ your attention for the missing support of the Ogg Vorbis [1] audio codec in Nokia's products. ~~We would like to~~ ask Nokia to consider implementing support for the Ogg Vorbis audio codec in its products.	+	Through this letter, I, Alexander van Loon, would like to request your attention for the missing support of the Ogg Vorbis [1] audio codec in Nokia's products. I ask Nokia to consider implementing support for the Ogg Vorbis audio codec in its products.

	Unlike the proprietary MP3, AAC and WMA audio codecs, the Ogg Vorbis audio codec is completely free to implement, it is not encumbered by patents and does not require license fees of any kind. Because of the problems with the aforementioned proprietary audio codecs requiring license fees, it is not possible for many open source operating systems to support those proprietary audio codecs. Hence, the Ogg Vorbis audio codec is the preferred format for the users of those operating systems. For example, popular websites like Jamendo [2] and the Magnatune music store [3] offer music encoded with the Ogg Vorbis audio codec. There are many other hardware manufacturers which have designed products that support the Ogg Vorbis audio codec [4].		Unlike the proprietary MP3, AAC and WMA audio codecs, the Ogg Vorbis audio codec is completely free to implement, it is not encumbered by patents and does not require license fees of any kind. Because of the problems with the aforementioned proprietary audio codecs requiring license fees, it is not possible for many open source operating systems to support those proprietary audio codecs. Hence, the Ogg Vorbis audio codec is the preferred format for the users of those operating systems. For example, popular websites like Jamendo [2] and the Magnatune music store [3] offer music encoded with the Ogg Vorbis audio codec. There are many other hardware manufacturers which have designed products that support the Ogg Vorbis audio codec [4].

Alexander van Loon at 12:40, 17 June 2007

2007-06-17T12:40:05Z

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	* Preferably it should not be addressed to Nokia's customer service, but a person inside Nokia who has authority to make decisions on matters like this.		* Preferably it should not be addressed to Nokia's customer service, but a person inside Nokia who has authority to make decisions on matters like this.
	* We should CC this letter to important news websites, like LWN and Slashdot for example, to obtain more public awareness.		* We should CC this letter to important news websites, like LWN and Slashdot for example, to obtain more public awareness.
-	* ~~Perhaps we~~ should also start a petition at [http://www.petitiononline.com/ PetitionOnline] to show how many people desire support for Ogg Vorbis in Nokia products, and that it's not merely some hardcore Ogg Vorbis fans who want to see support from Nokia.	+	* We should also start a petition at [http://www.petitiononline.com/ PetitionOnline] to show how many people desire support for Ogg Vorbis in Nokia products, and that it's not merely some hardcore Ogg Vorbis fans who want to see support from Nokia. We should give a reference the petition in the letter.
	* Maybe we should provide more info on legal matters, regarding possible concerns of vendors like Nokia over patent encumbrances.		* Maybe we should provide more info on legal matters, regarding possible concerns of vendors like Nokia over patent encumbrances.
	* The Free Software Foundation started the [http://www.fsf.org/news/playogg.html Play Ogg campaign], possibly we could make a reference to this in the letter, if it's relevant.		* The Free Software Foundation started the [http://www.fsf.org/news/playogg.html Play Ogg campaign], possibly we could make a reference to this in the letter, if it's relevant.

Alexander van Loon at 12:36, 17 June 2007

2007-06-17T12:36:14Z

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	* Why it shouldn't be a problem to implement support		* Why it shouldn't be a problem to implement support

-	== ~~Sending the letter~~ ==	+	== Considerations ==

	* Preferably it should not be addressed to Nokia's customer service, but a person inside Nokia who has authority to make decisions on matters like this.		* Preferably it should not be addressed to Nokia's customer service, but a person inside Nokia who has authority to make decisions on matters like this.
	* We should CC this letter to important news websites, like LWN and Slashdot for example, to obtain more public awareness.		* We should CC this letter to important news websites, like LWN and Slashdot for example, to obtain more public awareness.
	* Perhaps we should also start a petition at [http://www.petitiononline.com/ PetitionOnline] to show how many people desire support for Ogg Vorbis in Nokia products, and that it's not merely some hardcore Ogg Vorbis fans who want to see support from Nokia.		* Perhaps we should also start a petition at [http://www.petitiononline.com/ PetitionOnline] to show how many people desire support for Ogg Vorbis in Nokia products, and that it's not merely some hardcore Ogg Vorbis fans who want to see support from Nokia.
		+	* Maybe we should provide more info on legal matters, regarding possible concerns of vendors like Nokia over patent encumbrances.
	* The Free Software Foundation started the [http://www.fsf.org/news/playogg.html Play Ogg campaign], possibly we could make a reference to this in the letter, if it's relevant.		* The Free Software Foundation started the [http://www.fsf.org/news/playogg.html Play Ogg campaign], possibly we could make a reference to this in the letter, if it's relevant.
		+	* Please see the talk page for discussion about this issues.

	== The letter ==		== The letter ==

Alexander van Loon at 11:53, 17 June 2007

2007-06-17T11:53:26Z

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	* We should CC this letter to important news websites, like LWN and Slashdot for example, to obtain more public awareness.		* We should CC this letter to important news websites, like LWN and Slashdot for example, to obtain more public awareness.
	* Perhaps we should also start a petition at [http://www.petitiononline.com/ PetitionOnline] to show how many people desire support for Ogg Vorbis in Nokia products, and that it's not merely some hardcore Ogg Vorbis fans who want to see support from Nokia.		* Perhaps we should also start a petition at [http://www.petitiononline.com/ PetitionOnline] to show how many people desire support for Ogg Vorbis in Nokia products, and that it's not merely some hardcore Ogg Vorbis fans who want to see support from Nokia.
		+	* The Free Software Foundation started the [http://www.fsf.org/news/playogg.html Play Ogg campaign], possibly we could make a reference to this in the letter, if it's relevant.

	== The letter ==		== The letter ==
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	<Nokia's adress>		<Nokia's adress>

-	<month name> <day number>, ~~<year number>~~	+	<month name> <day number>, 2007

	Subject: support of the Ogg Vorbis audio codec in Nokia mobile products		Subject: support of the Ogg Vorbis audio codec in Nokia mobile products
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	Sincerely,		Sincerely,

-	Alexander van Loon	+	Alexander van Loon<br>
	<my adress>		<my adress>

-	[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbis	+	[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbis<br>
-		+	[2] http://www.jamendo.com/en/<br>
-	[2] http://www.jamendo.com/en/	+	[3] http://www.magnatune.com/<br>
-		+	[4] http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/PortablePlayers<br>
-	[3] http://www.magnatune.com/	+	[5] http://symbianoggplay.sourceforge.net/<br>
-		+
-	[4] http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/PortablePlayers	+
-		+
-	[5] http://symbianoggplay.sourceforge.net/	+

Alexander van Loon at 11:41, 17 June 2007

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	== Sending the letter ==		== Sending the letter ==

-	Preferably ~~this letter would be sent by the Xiph.Org Foundation, not under a personal title. And preferably~~ it should not be addressed to Nokia's customer service, but a person inside Nokia who has authority to make decisions on matters like this.	+	* Preferably it should not be addressed to Nokia's customer service, but a person inside Nokia who has authority to make decisions on matters like this.
-		+	* We should CC this letter to important news websites, like LWN and Slashdot for example, to obtain more public awareness.
-	~~What about CCing~~ this letter ~~also~~ to ~~some sites~~ like LWN, Slashdot for ~~obtaining~~ more public ~~awarness?~~	+	* Perhaps we should also start a petition at [http://www.petitiononline.com/ PetitionOnline] to show how many people desire support for Ogg Vorbis in Nokia products, and that it's not merely some hardcore Ogg Vorbis fans who want to see support from Nokia.

	== The letter ==		== The letter ==

-	<~~date>~~	+	<Nokia's adress>
-	~~<salutation~~>	+

-	The Xiph.Org Foundation would like to ask your attention for the missing support of the Ogg Vorbis audio codec in Nokia's products. We would like to ask Nokia to consider implementing support for the Ogg Vorbis audio codec in its products.	+	<month name> <day number>, <year number>

-	Unlike the proprietary MP3, AAC and WMA audio codecs, the Ogg Vorbis audio codec is completely free to implement, it is not encumbered by patents and does not require license fees of any kind. Because of the problems with the aforementioned proprietary audio codecs requiring license fees, it is not possible for many open source operating systems to support ~~those proprietary audio codecs. Hence, the Ogg Vorbis audio codec is the preferred format for the users~~ of ~~those operating systems. For example, popular websites like Jamendo [1] and the Magnatune music store [2] offer music encoded with~~ the Ogg Vorbis audio codec~~. There are many other hardware manufacturers which have designed~~ products ~~that support the Ogg Vorbis audio codec [3].~~	+	Subject: support of the Ogg Vorbis audio codec in Nokia mobile products

-	Currently it is already possible to play music encoded with the Ogg Vorbis audio codec on Nokia mobile phones by using the third-party software OggPlay [4]. However, it would be preferable if Nokia mobile products would support playback of Ogg Vorbis audio files, so that users would not need to rely on third-party software.	+	Dear Sir/Madam,
		+
		+	The Xiph.Org Foundation would like to ask your attention for the missing support of the Ogg Vorbis [1] audio codec in Nokia's products. We would like to ask Nokia to consider implementing support for the Ogg Vorbis audio codec in its products.
		+
		+	Unlike the proprietary MP3, AAC and WMA audio codecs, the Ogg Vorbis audio codec is completely free to implement, it is not encumbered by patents and does not require license fees of any kind. Because of the problems with the aforementioned proprietary audio codecs requiring license fees, it is not possible for many open source operating systems to support those proprietary audio codecs. Hence, the Ogg Vorbis audio codec is the preferred format for the users of those operating systems. For example, popular websites like Jamendo [2] and the Magnatune music store [3] offer music encoded with the Ogg Vorbis audio codec. There are many other hardware manufacturers which have designed products that support the Ogg Vorbis audio codec [4].
		+
		+	Currently it is already possible to play music encoded with the Ogg Vorbis audio codec on Nokia mobile phones by using the third-party software OggPlay [5]. However, it would be preferable if Nokia mobile products would support playback of Ogg Vorbis audio files, so that users would not need to rely on third-party software.

	Even though the amount of Nokia's customers that would benefit from Ogg Vorbis support appears to be small, Nokia should take into account that support for Ogg Vorbis will win Nokia a lot of goodwill in the open source/free software community, if not an advantage over the mobile phone market, and that Ogg Vorbis implementation is royalty-free.		Even though the amount of Nokia's customers that would benefit from Ogg Vorbis support appears to be small, Nokia should take into account that support for Ogg Vorbis will win Nokia a lot of goodwill in the open source/free software community, if not an advantage over the mobile phone market, and that Ogg Vorbis implementation is royalty-free.

-	<~~salutation~~>	+	Sincerely,
		+
		+	Alexander van Loon
		+	<my adress>
		+
		+	[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbis

-	[1] http://www.jamendo.com/en/	+	[2] http://www.jamendo.com/en/

-	[2] http://www.magnatune.com/	+	[3] http://www.magnatune.com/

-	[3] http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/PortablePlayers	+	[4] http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/PortablePlayers

-	[4] http://symbianoggplay.sourceforge.net/	+	[5] http://symbianoggplay.sourceforge.net/

Saoshyant: /* The letter */

2007-06-01T09:51:40Z

The letter

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	The Xiph.Org Foundation would like to ask your attention for the missing support of the Ogg Vorbis audio codec in Nokia's products. We would like to ask Nokia to consider implementing support for the Ogg Vorbis audio codec in its products.		The Xiph.Org Foundation would like to ask your attention for the missing support of the Ogg Vorbis audio codec in Nokia's products. We would like to ask Nokia to consider implementing support for the Ogg Vorbis audio codec in its products.

-	Unlike the ~~popular~~ proprietary MP3, AAC and WMA audio codecs, the Ogg Vorbis audio codec is completely free to implement, it is not encumbered by patents and does not require license fees. Because of the problems with the aforementioned proprietary audio codecs requiring license fees, it is not possible for many open source operating systems to support those proprietary audio codecs. Hence, the Ogg Vorbis audio codec is the preferred format for the users of those operating systems. For example, popular websites like Jamendo [1] and the Magnatune music store [2] offer music encoded with the Ogg Vorbis audio codec. There are many other hardware manufacturers which have designed products that support the Ogg Vorbis audio codec [3].	+	Unlike the proprietary MP3, AAC and WMA audio codecs, the Ogg Vorbis audio codec is completely free to implement, it is not encumbered by patents and does not require license fees of any kind. Because of the problems with the aforementioned proprietary audio codecs requiring license fees, it is not possible for many open source operating systems to support those proprietary audio codecs. Hence, the Ogg Vorbis audio codec is the preferred format for the users of those operating systems. For example, popular websites like Jamendo [1] and the Magnatune music store [2] offer music encoded with the Ogg Vorbis audio codec. There are many other hardware manufacturers which have designed products that support the Ogg Vorbis audio codec [3].

	Currently it is already possible to play music encoded with the Ogg Vorbis audio codec on Nokia mobile phones by using the third-party software OggPlay [4]. However, it would be preferable if Nokia mobile products would support playback of Ogg Vorbis audio files, so that users would not need to rely on third-party software.		Currently it is already possible to play music encoded with the Ogg Vorbis audio codec on Nokia mobile phones by using the third-party software OggPlay [4]. However, it would be preferable if Nokia mobile products would support playback of Ogg Vorbis audio files, so that users would not need to rely on third-party software.

Saoshyant: /* The letter */ lots of edits here and there

2007-06-01T09:50:27Z

The letter: lots of edits here and there

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	<salutation>		<salutation>

-	The Xiph.Org Foundation would like to ask your attention for the missing support of the Ogg Vorbis audio codec in Nokia's products. We would like to ask Nokia to consider implementing support for the Ogg Vorbis audio codec in ~~it's~~ products.	+	The Xiph.Org Foundation would like to ask your attention for the missing support of the Ogg Vorbis audio codec in Nokia's products. We would like to ask Nokia to consider implementing support for the Ogg Vorbis audio codec in its products.

-	Unlike the popular proprietary MP3, AAC and WMA audio codecs, the Ogg Vorbis audio codec is completely free to implement, it is not encumbered by patents and does not require license fees. Because of the problems with the aforementioned proprietary audio codecs requiring license fees, it is not possible for many open source operating systems to support those proprietary audio codecs. Hence, the Ogg Vorbis audio codec is the preferred format for the users of those operating systems. For example, popular websites like Jamendo [1] and the Magnatune music store [2] offer music encoded with the Ogg Vorbis audio codec. There are ~~also~~ many other hardware manufacturers which have designed products ~~which~~ support the Ogg Vorbis audio codec [3].	+	Unlike the popular proprietary MP3, AAC and WMA audio codecs, the Ogg Vorbis audio codec is completely free to implement, it is not encumbered by patents and does not require license fees. Because of the problems with the aforementioned proprietary audio codecs requiring license fees, it is not possible for many open source operating systems to support those proprietary audio codecs. Hence, the Ogg Vorbis audio codec is the preferred format for the users of those operating systems. For example, popular websites like Jamendo [1] and the Magnatune music store [2] offer music encoded with the Ogg Vorbis audio codec. There are many other hardware manufacturers which have designed products that support the Ogg Vorbis audio codec [3].

-	Currently it is already possible to play music encoded with the Ogg Vorbis audio codec on Nokia mobile phones by using the ~~OggPlay~~ software [4]. However, it would be preferable if Nokia ~~itself~~ would support playback of Ogg Vorbis ~~encoded~~ audio files, so that it would not ~~be necessary~~ to rely on third party software.	+	Currently it is already possible to play music encoded with the Ogg Vorbis audio codec on Nokia mobile phones by using the third-party software OggPlay [4]. However, it would be preferable if Nokia mobile products would support playback of Ogg Vorbis audio files, so that users would not need to rely on third-party software.

-	Even though the amount of Nokia's customers ~~which~~ would benefit from Ogg Vorbis support is small, Nokia should take into account that support for Ogg Vorbis ~~would~~ win Nokia a lot of goodwill in the open source/free software community, and that Ogg Vorbis is free ~~to implement~~.	+	Even though the amount of Nokia's customers that would benefit from Ogg Vorbis support appears to be small, Nokia should take into account that support for Ogg Vorbis will win Nokia a lot of goodwill in the open source/free software community, if not an advantage over the mobile phone market, and that Ogg Vorbis implementation is royalty-free.

	<salutation>		<salutation>